1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:02,810 hello and welcome to paranormal 2 00:00:08,059 --> 00:00:05,400 mysteries on access Northwest community 3 00:00:10,730 --> 00:00:08,069 radio here in lovely Liverpool tonight 4 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:10,740 my guest is Earl Grey Anderson who is 5 00:00:15,259 --> 00:00:12,780 move forms chief investigator and 6 00:00:18,830 --> 00:00:15,269 assistant State Director for Southern 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:18,840 California he has personally closed 400 8 00:00:24,259 --> 00:00:22,050 UFO cases for MUFON and is also a member 9 00:00:26,689 --> 00:00:24,269 of Mullins experience a research team 10 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:26,699 Earl is a professional musician 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:29,310 songwriter and recording artist and 12 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:31,610 works as the hands-on licensed nurse 13 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:35,219 earl is also a UFO witness himself and 14 00:00:40,670 --> 00:00:37,710 not only that his mother had a rather 15 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:40,680 interesting job she was one of Howard he 16 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:44,040 uses private secretaries and also works 17 00:00:49,069 --> 00:00:46,020 in a deep underground military base 18 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:49,079 under the desert along with Wernher von 19 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:50,030 Braun 20 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:53,550 hello al welcome to the show hi Sasha 21 00:00:57,260 --> 00:00:55,559 how are you doing I'm alright I was 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:00:57,270 falling over my words a bit there but we 23 00:01:07,969 --> 00:01:05,610 got there in the end so we've just 24 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:07,979 recently started to get to know each 25 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:09,990 other they haven't way on Facebook kind 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:11,729 of being in each other's orbit for a 27 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:16,170 while but due to recent revelations and 28 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:20,750 whatnot we've kind of found ourselves in 29 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:22,890 communication which has been rather 30 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:27,270 interesting your mom well that was a bit 31 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:28,860 of an interesting article that I read 32 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:30,320 that you sent me 33 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:33,540 hmm yeah my mom was really interesting 34 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:36,630 and and often times people ask me how I 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:40,140 ever got interested in UFOs and and 36 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:43,530 really it's I'm sort of a second 37 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:47,220 generation UFO person although my mom 38 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:49,350 wouldn't have considered herself a UFO 39 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:51,780 buff of any kind you know she just 40 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,740 happened to know that it was a real 41 00:02:00,760 --> 00:01:57,990 anomalous thing that was happening that 42 00:02:04,249 --> 00:02:00,770 people were experiencing and seen and 43 00:02:06,670 --> 00:02:04,259 she she knows that she knew that the 44 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:06,680 government was interested in them very 45 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:13,230 interested and so you know it kind of it 46 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:13,830 goes 47 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:16,710 in hand growing up around that at a 48 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:18,930 early age my mom started talking about 49 00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:21,210 her employment for her with Howard 50 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:25,950 Hughes and and she you know she when she 51 00:02:29,780 --> 00:02:27,720 told me about working in the underground 52 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:29,790 base she knew that she was breaking 53 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:33,900 security oaths that she had taken but 54 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:36,120 you know I was I was just maybe four 55 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:38,780 years old when she first talked about it 56 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:41,070 so I think that she kind of thought that 57 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:43,440 I would forget about it that she would 58 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:46,140 get a pass but she wanted to talk talk 59 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:48,930 with somebody about it so I guess that I 60 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:53,490 was it in communicating with my sister 61 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,320 years later I found out that she never 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:02:58,920 even told my sister about you know what 63 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:02,730 she had done but this sort of led my mom 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:06,120 into a career she wound up working as a 65 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:08,250 headhunter for Lockheed skunkworks 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:12,930 Boeing Northrop Rockwell all the major 67 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:14,970 aerospace groups and I think it's 68 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:17,790 because you know they back when my mom 69 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:21,209 got involved in this they were a little 70 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:24,470 more lacs about about 71 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,480 compartmentalization of things I don't 72 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:29,280 think that that one person would have 73 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:33,180 known as much as my mom knew back say in 74 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,360 the mid-1970s when she started working 75 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:38,640 as a headhunter for you know corporate 76 00:03:43,550 --> 00:03:41,850 headhunter for these aerospace groups so 77 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:43,560 I think that they liked to sort of 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:46,410 corral these people that knew stuff and 79 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:51,170 keep them and use them and rather than 80 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:54,120 exposing other people to the information 81 00:03:59,030 --> 00:03:56,459 that's above top secret we know you know 82 00:04:02,390 --> 00:03:59,040 it is above top secret more highly 83 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:02,400 classified than the atomic bomb Wow I 84 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:04,950 know they like to keep kind of cradle to 85 00:04:10,190 --> 00:04:06,780 grave policy going with people that they 86 00:04:16,099 --> 00:04:10,200 employ these days and I guess it was a 87 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:16,109 little bit more kind of renegade I don't 88 00:04:19,340 --> 00:04:17,220 think they knew what they were dealing 89 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:19,350 with I know what they're dealing with 90 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:22,080 now yeah I mean I think that you know 91 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:24,630 when they're so effusive about their 92 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:26,850 information and it's always soft 93 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:27,660 disclosed 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:30,300 you know it's it's for instance we got 95 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:33,930 the we found out that the Pentagon had 96 00:04:41,180 --> 00:04:37,710 this program the the eight hit program 97 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:41,190 that was going on and we know that 98 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:43,470 senators you know Harry Reid and and 99 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:45,300 John Podesta people that were really 100 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:47,730 high in government were involved in this 101 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:49,410 that it was funded and that it was a 102 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:53,970 very real thing and I think that they're 103 00:04:59,780 --> 00:04:56,520 giving us little hints but they still 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:04:59,790 want to have that that that ability to 105 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:02,490 deny you know the feasible deniability 106 00:05:08,330 --> 00:05:06,150 about themselves back in the old days 107 00:05:13,130 --> 00:05:08,340 when my mom was involved back in the mid 108 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:13,140 1950s I really think that they didn't 109 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:15,690 quite have have it together as far as 110 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,270 the secrecy goes so they kind of you 111 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:20,220 know my mom worked you know she did 112 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:22,230 dictation and in highly classified 113 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:26,610 meetings she did work I mean she I'll 114 00:05:32,570 --> 00:05:28,710 tell you this story for your listeners 115 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:32,580 if you'd like me to oh yes please 116 00:05:37,390 --> 00:05:34,740 well the way that my mom explained it to 117 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:37,400 me and she talked about this a few times 118 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:40,350 as I got older I would have to push a 119 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:42,810 little bit more to hear it because you 120 00:05:47,210 --> 00:05:44,250 know she thought I was gonna forget 121 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:47,220 about it and and of course you know some 122 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:49,290 kids might have but I have a pretty good 123 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:51,780 memory and and and to be you know it 124 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:53,850 just opened this whole other angle of 125 00:05:58,550 --> 00:05:55,740 the world to me you know I was always 126 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:58,560 interested in extraterrestrial life I 127 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:01,320 was always interested in spaceships and 128 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:03,750 and it was just that kind of a boy you 129 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:05,940 know and part of that is growing up in 130 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:09,060 the early 1960s and you know the space 131 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:11,630 race was in full throttle at that point 132 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:15,270 but but the way my mom explained it was 133 00:06:20,110 --> 00:06:17,130 was that she was working for Howard 134 00:06:23,030 --> 00:06:20,120 Hughes she was one of two secretaries 135 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:23,040 and they would communicate over an 136 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:25,050 intercom even though their offices were 137 00:06:30,620 --> 00:06:28,170 next to each other in all the years that 138 00:06:34,130 --> 00:06:30,630 my mom worked for him she only saw him 139 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:34,140 once and she wasn't supposed to wow 140 00:06:39,950 --> 00:06:38,340 that's interesting yes now I guess that 141 00:06:41,180 --> 00:06:39,960 the other secretary that worked for him 142 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:41,190 that he wound up in 143 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:43,560 actually having a relationship with her 144 00:06:48,410 --> 00:06:45,600 and my mom went on to marry my father 145 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:48,420 and she quit working for Hughes Aircraft 146 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:51,540 at that point but she said that you know 147 00:06:59,120 --> 00:06:55,920 at this it was about 1955-56 when Howard 148 00:07:01,430 --> 00:06:59,130 Hughes was just reclusive and he would 149 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:01,440 send my mom out to do his bidding for 150 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:03,270 him so he would send her out to 151 00:07:10,670 --> 00:07:06,720 different you know military sites and 152 00:07:12,380 --> 00:07:10,680 things like that yeah and and and also 153 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:12,390 my mom said that you know part of that 154 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:14,370 was was because she had really good 155 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:16,410 instincts and she could tell if somebody 156 00:07:22,340 --> 00:07:18,600 was lying or not or if they were hiding 157 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:22,350 things and I could attest to that as a 158 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:26,520 teenager it was pretty it could be 159 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:28,320 pretty miserable she would know exactly 160 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:30,870 what was going on you know and yeah I 161 00:07:36,710 --> 00:07:32,720 couldn't really get away with anything 162 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:36,720 but but anyhow he sent her on this one 163 00:07:42,260 --> 00:07:38,610 assignment he didn't tell her much about 164 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,270 it and the way she explained it was was 165 00:07:49,460 --> 00:07:44,400 they sent her out to the middle of the 166 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:49,470 great American desert that they that she 167 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:51,480 had a little security detail with her 168 00:07:56,390 --> 00:07:54,330 and it was the middle of nowhere and 169 00:07:59,450 --> 00:07:56,400 they took her out to this little shack 170 00:08:02,090 --> 00:07:59,460 and when the doors of the shack were 171 00:08:04,159 --> 00:08:02,100 opened there was this elevator shaft it 172 00:08:07,580 --> 00:08:04,169 was like an otis elevator like you would 173 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:07,590 see in a high-rise building but there 174 00:08:13,940 --> 00:08:11,820 was no high-rise building the desert and 175 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:13,950 and that was this kind of it the desert 176 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:17,220 scrub and and and fauna and and heat and 177 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:20,850 this shack with an elevator so my mom 178 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:22,740 gets into the elevator with a security 179 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:26,160 detail and she said that the elevators 180 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:28,050 started going down and it just kept 181 00:08:33,650 --> 00:08:31,530 going down and she explained that she 182 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:33,660 felt butterflies in her stomach that she 183 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:36,330 felt vertigo as this thing was was going 184 00:08:40,579 --> 00:08:37,919 down now she thought she might be going 185 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:40,589 down two floors or something like that 186 00:08:46,910 --> 00:08:44,300 first but this was going deep 187 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:46,920 she said when the doors opened up that 188 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:48,930 there was this little city down there 189 00:08:53,650 --> 00:08:50,850 that there were all these people that 190 00:08:55,070 --> 00:08:53,660 were working and that they had cafes 191 00:08:59,480 --> 00:08:55,080 bowling now 192 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:59,490 the barbershop drugstore she talked 193 00:09:04,610 --> 00:09:01,200 about this one cafe where they had these 194 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:04,620 yellow umbrellas over patio type tables 195 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:06,270 I could see out in front of a French 196 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:09,420 sidewalk cafe and it struck her as kind 197 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:11,010 of hilarious because you don't really 198 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:16,890 need to worry about the Sun your and I 199 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:18,870 don't know if my mom was exaggerating or 200 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:20,550 not but she did express that it was a 201 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:22,980 mile under the desert and this is back 202 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:26,130 in the 1950s you know what what what do 203 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:28,380 they have now why would you need to be 204 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:32,730 so deep underground as well I'm I'm 205 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:34,950 honestly not sure and the way she 206 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:36,300 expressed it was was that they were 207 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:40,170 working on a satiric projects she did in 208 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:42,330 fact work with she knew Wernher von 209 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:45,090 Braun she knew 210 00:09:50,270 --> 00:09:48,510 Oberth and you know tech never mentioned 211 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:50,280 the word Operation Paperclip 212 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:52,110 but I just kind of put two and two 213 00:09:57,890 --> 00:09:55,620 together yeah once I heard about you 214 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:57,900 know Operation Paperclip it was kind of 215 00:10:01,940 --> 00:09:59,940 obvious that this was a part of that 216 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:01,950 because you know why else would they 217 00:10:06,830 --> 00:10:04,290 have these guys screen it under the 218 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:06,840 desert floor all these miles and you 219 00:10:12,590 --> 00:10:11,370 know a mile or however deep it was but 220 00:10:16,340 --> 00:10:12,600 she said that they would get around in 221 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:16,350 little golf carts and and that it was a 222 00:10:21,770 --> 00:10:19,770 bustling the city the other thing that 223 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:21,780 my mom would talk about that was really 224 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:25,310 really strange and even scary as a kid 225 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:29,310 was alien life she would talk about it 226 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:33,060 with with great Authority she wasn't 227 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:35,220 talking about something that was a hype 228 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:37,350 you know that was hypothetical to her 229 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:38,970 she was talking about something that she 230 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:42,990 knew it was some just deep knowledge it 231 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:44,550 would be the same way that she would 232 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:47,250 talk about about you know you better do 233 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:51,810 your taxes or you'll get in trouble or 234 00:10:56,510 --> 00:10:53,850 you know is the same kind of tone of 235 00:10:59,690 --> 00:10:56,520 voice of you know I know this and she 236 00:11:02,060 --> 00:10:59,700 said that you know later on I found out 237 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:02,070 like like one time I heard her talking 238 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:05,250 with my aunt it was my my aunt's and my 239 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:07,530 I was with playing with my three cousins 240 00:11:11,509 --> 00:11:08,970 so we were outside playing 241 00:11:15,429 --> 00:11:11,519 spaceman of course I remember what we 242 00:11:18,319 --> 00:11:15,439 played you know lost in space right and 243 00:11:19,369 --> 00:11:18,329 and we heard this heated argument going 244 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:19,379 on in the kitchen 245 00:11:26,210 --> 00:11:23,100 so like cousins will do it's like we 246 00:11:29,809 --> 00:11:26,220 snuck around the corner and and we are 247 00:11:32,509 --> 00:11:29,819 you know our ears pressed to the screen 248 00:11:36,499 --> 00:11:32,519 door and my mom and aunt were talking 249 00:11:38,569 --> 00:11:36,509 and my aunt had brought over the there 250 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:38,579 was a Look magazine that came out with a 251 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:42,120 story of Betty and Barney Hill and she 252 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:43,920 was asking my mom about this so 253 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:46,610 apparently my can't knew that my mom 254 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:50,040 knew that this was a thing and I 255 00:11:54,379 --> 00:11:52,310 remember her just kind of with this 256 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:54,389 excoriating you know well how could this 257 00:12:00,110 --> 00:11:56,970 be true you know how could this be true 258 00:12:02,420 --> 00:12:00,120 Betty and I remember my mom saying well 259 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:02,430 we know that there is life out there we 260 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:05,100 you know and and they're interacting 261 00:12:10,249 --> 00:12:07,560 with with people on earth and the sounds 262 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,259 like a real thing this sounds like it 263 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:12,839 could actually be a real thing that 264 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:17,220 happened and I remember my and then you 265 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:18,930 know my aunt was was reading from the 266 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:20,790 article I talked about them you know 267 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:24,410 doing now we know it's an amniocentesis 268 00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:27,839 with a needle through the navel and I I 269 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:30,420 remember I elbow might my cousin said 270 00:12:41,210 --> 00:12:38,550 what's a navel what's a navel standing 271 00:12:43,189 --> 00:12:41,220 there and kind of feeling the willies 272 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:43,199 for the first time in my life where the 273 00:12:47,439 --> 00:12:45,600 hair kind of stood on my arm stood up 274 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:47,449 and I just had this deep sense of 275 00:12:52,939 --> 00:12:49,980 strangeness that things weren't quite 276 00:12:57,769 --> 00:12:52,949 what they seemed that there was another 277 00:13:00,139 --> 00:12:57,779 aspect to the world that most people 278 00:13:02,059 --> 00:13:00,149 didn't know about and it it wasn't the 279 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:02,069 little cartoon Martians you know this 280 00:13:09,949 --> 00:13:06,750 had it had actual sort of a scary even 281 00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:09,959 possibly monovalent feel about it you 282 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:12,120 know these people were captured him and 283 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:15,569 their memories erased and and that they 284 00:13:20,569 --> 00:13:18,720 had to retrieve them but my mom spoke 285 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:20,579 about that like she thought that that 286 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:22,680 fell in line with what she already 287 00:13:33,019 --> 00:13:28,980 knew about our visitors as my wife went 288 00:13:35,389 --> 00:13:33,029 on as I got older my mom clammed up she 289 00:13:38,329 --> 00:13:35,399 stopped talking and I think part of that 290 00:13:42,170 --> 00:13:38,339 was because you know we do a thing in 291 00:13:44,870 --> 00:13:42,180 grade school here in the states where 292 00:13:50,060 --> 00:13:44,880 they'll do like what do your parents do 293 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:50,070 and show and tell a little bit about my 294 00:13:58,850 --> 00:13:54,930 mom and I was I was 10 years old 295 00:14:01,430 --> 00:13:58,860 well the teacher after the I roles and 296 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:01,440 all that and the classroom got kind of 297 00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,320 hushed and kids started actually kind of 298 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:05,839 teasing me about it 299 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:08,940 well she she scheduled a parent-teacher 300 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:13,380 conference with my mom and you know they 301 00:14:16,610 --> 00:14:15,000 actually used to have a couple of UFO 302 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:16,620 books in the school library which 303 00:14:21,139 --> 00:14:18,930 quickly were lately disappeared them 304 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:21,149 they were they weren't there anymore 305 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:23,100 and I got the talking to for my mom 306 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:25,080 where she said you know Earl I was never 307 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:27,060 supposed to tell you this I thought you 308 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:29,370 were gonna forget about it I told you 309 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:30,959 about this one you were really really 310 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:34,650 small but here we are and you're really 311 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:36,600 not supposed to talk about this and you 312 00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:38,370 can get your mom into really terrible 313 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:40,830 trouble by talking about it so 314 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:43,920 thankfully your teacher thinks that you 315 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,470 were making this up and I kind of went 316 00:14:52,130 --> 00:14:48,720 along with that but for God's sake never 317 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:52,140 ever ever talk about this again 318 00:14:57,019 --> 00:14:54,690 and that was when the doors kind of 319 00:15:10,880 --> 00:14:57,029 closed and my mom became very quiet 320 00:15:13,069 --> 00:15:10,890 about what she did serious business and 321 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:13,079 especially you know at that point my mom 322 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:15,060 wasn't working in aerospace she had 323 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:17,010 taken a little respite there she tried 324 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:18,570 to be a great you know American 325 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:21,120 housewife and and do the Ozzie and 326 00:15:26,449 --> 00:15:24,060 Harriet TV show thing and and you could 327 00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:26,459 see a restlessness about my mom and she 328 00:15:33,260 --> 00:15:29,160 really didn't fit in with that mold and 329 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:33,270 back in the 1970s like the mid-1970s she 330 00:15:38,450 --> 00:15:36,660 got back into sheshe became 331 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:38,460 she started working for a for a 332 00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:40,950 temporary employment agency but she 333 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:42,990 wound up taking it over and most of what 334 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:44,970 she was doing was getting people out to 335 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:48,660 aerospace jobs and I watched her build 336 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:53,130 this business and before I knew it you 337 00:15:57,740 --> 00:15:55,380 know she was she was working for you 338 00:15:59,690 --> 00:15:57,750 know people like Lockheed skunkworks and 339 00:16:01,820 --> 00:15:59,700 and all them you know I mean it was a 340 00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:01,830 lot of secret government black projects 341 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:05,190 that my mom was peopling with scientists 342 00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:10,320 and and with people that had I guess I 343 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:12,780 would say just natural genius types I 344 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,420 knew one guy from my school that my mom 345 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:18,180 got out to Northrop and he had a 346 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,010 propensity for being able to look at a 347 00:16:25,130 --> 00:16:22,620 giant column of numbers like from a 348 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:25,140 computer readout sheet and being able to 349 00:16:31,070 --> 00:16:28,020 tell which one didn't belong there there 350 00:16:33,170 --> 00:16:31,080 was a glitch or problem and I and my mom 351 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:33,180 got him out to one job and he was gone 352 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:35,820 for three months he came back with a new 353 00:16:41,420 --> 00:16:39,240 car with money but while he was gone his 354 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:41,430 mom knew that my mom is who had gotten 355 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:45,030 him out to work and yeah I got this 356 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:47,490 frantic phone call from her where is my 357 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:50,190 son he's been gone for four months and 358 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:54,210 he doesn't call and I don't know and my 359 00:16:58,460 --> 00:16:56,730 mom couldn't say anything but that was 360 00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,470 the kind of stuff that you know my mom 361 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:00,480 would do you know when he finally came 362 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:02,550 back he said well you want to see what I 363 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:05,329 was doing he brought out this long 364 00:17:11,059 --> 00:17:08,880 folded sheet from from a but like the 365 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:11,069 old computer system readouts that they 366 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:13,530 used to have and it just all these pages 367 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:15,930 were dropping onto the sidewalk you know 368 00:17:19,819 --> 00:17:17,430 you're out there in his front yard when 369 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:19,829 he's showing me and this was before when 370 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,290 people really used marker pens he'd had 371 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,480 like taking that orange grease pencil 372 00:17:28,940 --> 00:17:26,400 and it's circled this one number and he 373 00:17:31,370 --> 00:17:28,950 said this didn't belong here said this 374 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,380 screwed up their their computer systems 375 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:33,780 for four months and they couldn't get 376 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:36,720 past it and that's what you you know 377 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:39,750 your mom sent me out to fix and and I 378 00:17:48,620 --> 00:17:46,470 fixed it Wow so I would ask my mom I'm 379 00:17:51,409 --> 00:17:48,630 sorry but I 380 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:51,419 and last thing because the the alien 381 00:17:55,129 --> 00:17:53,370 life you know is was what I became 382 00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:55,139 obsessed with and I wanted to know more 383 00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:57,480 about and I wasn't taking my mom's 384 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,620 closed lip policy well so I found out 385 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:03,360 that if I take her to a movie like I 386 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:05,190 took her to see Star Wars when it came 387 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:06,990 out it was a second day that was out 388 00:18:13,129 --> 00:18:10,529 it's back in 1977 and when the film 389 00:18:15,889 --> 00:18:13,139 ended my mom became very voluble and 390 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:15,899 talkative about about it she said son 391 00:18:21,879 --> 00:18:18,149 you have no idea 392 00:18:24,649 --> 00:18:21,889 Star Wars is not very far-fetched 393 00:18:26,269 --> 00:18:24,659 touched at all she said there is 394 00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:26,279 intelligent life in the universe 395 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,100 and they actually got a lot of things 396 00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:31,980 right in this film and my mom kept 397 00:18:38,299 --> 00:18:35,940 talking it was scary at the you know I 398 00:18:41,269 --> 00:18:38,309 didn't think that it's gonna get this 399 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:41,279 you know this lecture this talk but she 400 00:18:46,580 --> 00:18:44,850 was very excited about it so I would you 401 00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:46,590 know I would take my mom to see other 402 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:48,659 films to see if she would talk more 403 00:18:54,289 --> 00:18:51,929 after that I took her to see et when it 404 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:54,299 came out and all she had to say about 405 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,279 the film was she said well it's a cute 406 00:19:05,240 --> 00:18:58,080 movie son but I don't think they're all 407 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:05,250 that nice interesting comment now I was 408 00:19:16,009 --> 00:19:09,470 sent at a recording of a conversation 409 00:19:19,159 --> 00:19:16,019 between someone I remember was now but 410 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:19,169 this lady she'd been abducted she'd been 411 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:22,529 taken into an underground base in the 412 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:28,470 50s and she was she said that that there 413 00:19:32,029 --> 00:19:29,850 was an alien there she saw an alien 414 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:32,039 there it was black and they had golden 415 00:19:38,869 --> 00:19:35,070 eyes and it was like a scaly lizard type 416 00:19:41,299 --> 00:19:38,879 thing and that there were people there 417 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:41,309 as well and it was the Navy that were on 418 00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,850 in there and that was in the 50s now 419 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:46,799 I'll have to send you the recording 420 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:48,299 because I did discover that I still had 421 00:19:55,549 --> 00:19:52,980 the actual I chopped it up and I use it 422 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,559 in another radio show when I was at a 423 00:20:00,180 --> 00:19:57,760 show called cities in the same 424 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:00,190 kind of like put it into segments and 425 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:02,500 commented on these segments because I've 426 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:05,529 had some extremely unusual experiences 427 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:07,090 and some of the mirrored a little bit 428 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:10,419 what I'd been through but it was kind of 429 00:20:16,139 --> 00:20:13,620 interesting what you were saying about 430 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:16,149 where she went and where she was working 431 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:18,700 and the base and everything it just 432 00:20:23,159 --> 00:20:20,350 reminded me of this Ricardian and I 433 00:20:24,629 --> 00:20:23,169 wondered you know well what kind of 434 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:24,639 things would you mom have seen if they 435 00:20:31,049 --> 00:20:27,880 were like not quite as compartmentalize 436 00:20:33,299 --> 00:20:31,059 as they are now whereas you know you 437 00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:33,309 could be in a room with 10 people and 438 00:20:39,649 --> 00:20:35,559 all 10 would not know what anyone else 439 00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:39,659 in the room was up to mmm 440 00:20:45,629 --> 00:20:42,669 she never really talked about what they 441 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:45,639 looked like or if she had met one or if 442 00:20:49,769 --> 00:20:47,350 she had but but she spoke with great 443 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:49,779 authority that it was a very real thing 444 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:52,090 and she spoke with great authority and 445 00:20:55,769 --> 00:20:53,470 now you have to remember she was working 446 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:55,779 for the military so they're gonna see 447 00:21:00,000 --> 00:20:57,700 they're gonna see this as a threat I 448 00:21:02,610 --> 00:21:00,010 mean it could be like The Day the Earth 449 00:21:05,610 --> 00:21:02,620 Stood Still and all peace love and 450 00:21:11,009 --> 00:21:05,620 understanding and and Reese's Pieces 451 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:11,019 yeah you know as soon as you're you're 452 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:13,960 working with the military with with this 453 00:21:18,899 --> 00:21:15,940 phenomenon of course it's a national 454 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:18,909 security threat so I'm not sure if her 455 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:22,960 opinion was that they're that they're 456 00:21:30,090 --> 00:21:26,370 not all that nice son was her own 457 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:30,100 experience all opinion or if that's 458 00:21:36,299 --> 00:21:33,389 really what she was taught about them 459 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,309 and she would never really expand on 460 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,880 that frustratingly enough I mean my mom 461 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:41,200 you know I was able to get other things 462 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:43,450 out of her but not a whole lot more you 463 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:47,230 know when she was on her deathbed my mom 464 00:21:51,149 --> 00:21:49,870 goes she kept having cancers and and 465 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:51,159 they were all unrelated they were 466 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,760 cancers that metastasized it would be 10 467 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,320 years would go by and then she would 468 00:22:01,080 --> 00:21:58,720 have it would pop cancer would pop up 469 00:22:07,019 --> 00:22:01,090 somewhere else as though she'd been 470 00:22:09,899 --> 00:22:07,029 irradiated and I around it was 1999 when 471 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:09,909 she was you know she passed away in 472 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:11,740 April 1999 473 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:14,470 and I was trying to get her a lawyer up 474 00:22:18,299 --> 00:22:16,510 and to go after the government because 475 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:18,309 somebody else there's a group of workers 476 00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,000 from area 51 that successfully sued the 477 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:24,159 government and this was during Bill 478 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:28,900 Clinton's stint as president and yeah 479 00:22:32,909 --> 00:22:31,210 and and and these it was the same thing 480 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:32,919 they kept having cancer after cancer 481 00:22:39,299 --> 00:22:36,190 after cancer and it was finally revealed 482 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:39,309 that yes they were exposed to you know 483 00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:41,980 carcinogens and and it was our fault and 484 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:45,880 and they would they won the lawsuit and 485 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:48,490 at that point it wasn't until then that 486 00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,470 we even knew there was such a thing as 487 00:22:56,490 --> 00:22:53,679 area 51 they simply said it was nonsense 488 00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:56,500 and then suddenly if it was cents you 489 00:23:02,250 --> 00:22:59,340 know it was a real thing 490 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:02,260 so but my mom's whole opinion was she 491 00:23:07,289 --> 00:23:05,260 said son she said when somebody joins 492 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:07,299 the military you know that you could 493 00:23:12,779 --> 00:23:10,450 you're putting your life at risk and she 494 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:12,789 said when I went and I did this job I 495 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:15,070 knew that there were risks involved 496 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:18,010 it was my patriotic duty as a way that I 497 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:20,650 fell and just like somebody could go to 498 00:23:24,899 --> 00:23:22,870 war and not come back I knew that that 499 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:24,909 something bad could possibly happen to 500 00:23:30,270 --> 00:23:27,640 me and that was you know it was never 501 00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,280 hidden from me I knew what I was going 502 00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:32,799 into but I was doing my patriotic duty 503 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:35,620 and I would never sue my government for 504 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:43,870 this still really was very very 505 00:23:50,399 --> 00:23:47,350 upsetting to me yeah my mom could be 506 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:50,409 exposed to this and and and and they 507 00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:53,890 didn't take that good care of her you 508 00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:56,350 know I mean later on in life I mean we 509 00:24:01,140 --> 00:23:58,390 knew that mom had money coming in that 510 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:01,150 was you know she would she she would 511 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:03,130 actually go she would go to Britain 512 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,650 every summer and she would spend three 513 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:08,320 months in Britain she she would do this 514 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:10,570 regularly she would you know rent a flat 515 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:14,080 she had her friends out there and to the 516 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:15,820 best of my knowledge a lot of the money 517 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:17,770 that she got through her aerospace work 518 00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:22,090 went towards that for her little you 519 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:24,700 know her her addiction with with you 520 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:25,530 guys that 521 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:27,860 [Laughter] 522 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:36,530 proprietor and and he spent a lot of 523 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:38,790 time there so they would go on sort of a 524 00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,780 mutual trip and rent a flat and and they 525 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:44,280 would actually rent a flat from a 526 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:47,460 convent that was in London and it was 527 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:51,360 sort of near everything and and so you 528 00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:54,090 know I mean my mom did there were perks 529 00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,670 to her job but we were certainly not a 530 00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,980 rich family we were you know lower 531 00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:01,440 middle-class really 532 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:04,800 my mom's annual trip was was sort of an 533 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:09,600 anomaly in itself it probably was I mean 534 00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:11,900 antiques dealer that's quite a good 535 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,520 cover I think that was what he was doing 536 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,380 but my mom was doing something else I'm 537 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:22,260 not sure if there was something official 538 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,030 that she was doing in Britain or she was 539 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:26,460 having an affair even maybe that was 540 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:30,510 going on or you know there was something 541 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:33,750 that was you know that she couldn't talk 542 00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:36,330 about but I know that she just that was 543 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,680 her her own time that was enjoyed doing 544 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:42,720 and I wanted to ask you about something 545 00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:46,170 because she sent me an article that Jeff 546 00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:51,420 had written and and it he talks about an 547 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:54,660 experience that you mom had with like a 548 00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,930 basketball sized ball of electricity 549 00:26:01,550 --> 00:25:59,340 could you tell us about that please 550 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:01,560 because I've actually got something else 551 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:06,390 to add to that very interesting well 552 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:08,310 this was a story that my mom that my 553 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,290 sister didn't know about she was a 554 00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,200 little more open in talking about it and 555 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:16,140 maybe she didn't connect it with the UFO 556 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:20,130 phenomena she always referred to it as 557 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:24,240 her experience with ball lightning but 558 00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:27,330 my mom when she was a young she's grown 559 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,940 up in a little town in Iowa Muscatine 560 00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:32,880 Iowa and it's very very hot and humid 561 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:36,060 during the summer months so my 562 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:38,550 grandmother and grandfather had a 563 00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:42,390 Green didn't porch and my mom and her 564 00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:44,580 sister would sleep out on the screen and 565 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,840 porch when it got real hot and the way 566 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:50,880 that my mom described it it was middle 567 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:53,610 of the night and she woke up to this 568 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:56,910 buzzing sound and she saw this ball of 569 00:27:01,400 --> 00:26:58,530 light that was the size of a basketball 570 00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:01,410 and she said it was sparking and just 571 00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:05,150 sparkling like like a like it's like a 572 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:07,560 sparkler firework you know the little 573 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,570 things that you you know hold in your 574 00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,120 hand those things but it was a ball of 575 00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,340 electricity and that she saw it come 576 00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:16,080 through the screen door and she said it 577 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:19,860 just squeezed through the screen while 578 00:27:27,410 --> 00:27:23,220 retain its shape and buzzing like a hive 579 00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,420 of bees and it traveled around the porch 580 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:29,580 it hovered over her sister for a little 581 00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:32,310 while then it came over towards my mom 582 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:34,800 and my mom was sitting up I guess she'd 583 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:36,990 make a little bed roll for herself and 584 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,340 she was said that she was sitting up 585 00:27:43,220 --> 00:27:40,080 watching this thing that just hung there 586 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:43,230 and as if it were observing her for a 587 00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:45,930 little bit she said then this this ball 588 00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:48,300 of electricity went back to the screen 589 00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:51,150 and it pushed its way back out through 590 00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,660 the screen the screened-in porch the 591 00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:56,640 whole time buzzing like a hive of bees 592 00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,120 and shooting off sparks so my mom got up 593 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:02,880 she was about 16 or 17 years old when 594 00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:05,970 this had happened and she ran after it 595 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:07,590 the baldest started moving 596 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,350 they had a cornfield adjacent to their 597 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:12,480 house and she said that she had run out 598 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,260 into the cornfield and and the ball of 599 00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:17,640 electricity had stopped and I was 600 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:21,060 hanging about 20 feet in the air and she 601 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:22,890 got right under it and she was watching 602 00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,630 it she said that it smelled like an 603 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:26,640 electric train which is the scent of 604 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:29,880 ozone I know now just you know like an 605 00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,930 electric transformer so she said that it 606 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:36,960 hung there for for a few seconds and 607 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:40,290 then it rose up to maybe 40 feet and 608 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:42,630 that there was a pop that there was a 609 00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:46,410 pop sound that that she felt like that 610 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,420 even the atmosphere had changed a little 611 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,640 bit like her ears had popped like she 612 00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:52,500 had gone up to a high elevation 613 00:28:59,360 --> 00:28:55,559 and and she used to like to tell this 614 00:29:03,080 --> 00:28:59,370 story you know that and and now I know 615 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:03,090 that ball lightning is not a good 616 00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:06,210 explanation of what she had seen because 617 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:09,150 it doesn't last long for one thing it 618 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:11,490 doesn't retain its shape while going 619 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:16,230 through a screen as a screen and it just 620 00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:17,610 acted like it was under intelligent 621 00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:22,520 control according to my mom's old story 622 00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:27,030 well really piques my interest because I 623 00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:30,539 have a friend Paula green and she's an 624 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:33,960 experiencer and we met in 2012 and 625 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:36,030 somebody gave her my number because she 626 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:39,090 was having experiences and she wanted to 627 00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:42,210 talk to somebody about them the way that 628 00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:44,520 she talks about it all I assumed that 629 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:46,140 she already knew what was going on with 630 00:29:52,810 --> 00:29:49,500 her and so when I said so much something 631 00:29:56,270 --> 00:29:52,820 about aliens she kind of looked shocked 632 00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:56,280 you know okay and I was like oh I 633 00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:57,630 thought you knew because you were 634 00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,250 talking about the little greys or the 635 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:01,500 black eyes etc and she was like no no 636 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:03,270 that's what I wanted to know what is it 637 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:07,650 but she told me that well that was how 638 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,590 we met but anyway she told me about this 639 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:12,210 experience that she said one day when 640 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:15,090 she taking her daughter to school with a 641 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:18,059 friend who lived by her aunt's daughter 642 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:21,090 went to the same school came back to 643 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,770 Paula's house for a cup of coffee and 644 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:24,960 Paula she's got this kind of like you 645 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:28,020 know stone fireplace and it's kind of 646 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,580 got these little bits that come out so 647 00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,260 there's a soft shelf either side of the 648 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:34,080 fire and she was sat on one of those and 649 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,750 a friend was sat by the window and this 650 00:30:41,169 --> 00:30:38,760 kind of she said she looked up above her 651 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:41,179 friend's head and she saw this kind of 652 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:43,980 circular thing coming through the window 653 00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:46,650 and she said it extended like a 654 00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:51,390 telescopic tube so you know like an old 655 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:54,900 you know not be locking us watch Carla 656 00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:55,620 telescope 657 00:31:03,260 --> 00:30:59,850 so it's telescopic and it came out for 658 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,270 about three feet and then from this ball 659 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:04,880 emerged 660 00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:07,210 and it was Albert a ball of electricity 661 00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:11,240 and it hung above her head and then it 662 00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:14,300 came down and the tube detracted you 663 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:16,280 know it disappeared it kind of folded 664 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,090 back in on itself this bowl of like it 665 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:23,120 kind of popped over her and a friend she 666 00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:24,770 said so a friend did you say that she 667 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:25,520 went yes I did 668 00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:26,930 she said I'm out of here she's I'm 669 00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:28,700 coming with you she didn't want to be on 670 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:29,000 her own 671 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:31,370 so she went to the shop local shop with 672 00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:32,240 a friend and the friend was getting 673 00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:33,920 whatever she want whatever she was 674 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:37,340 getting and paula was walking along an 675 00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,710 aisle and had all these freezers you 676 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:41,600 know the metal rim fronts 677 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:45,770 she put her hand on the the rim as she 678 00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:47,720 was walking along the south freezer so 679 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:49,220 her hand was sort of sliding along it 680 00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,860 and it made a crackling sound and she 681 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:53,600 put her hands in the freezer it started 682 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:55,970 making a really loud crackling so she 683 00:32:00,220 --> 00:31:58,460 snaps a hand away and a you know it's 684 00:32:01,690 --> 00:32:00,230 going to hit again she's she's doing it 685 00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:01,700 again she didn't it follows the shop 686 00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:03,740 when it's all crackling and wrecking 687 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:05,240 this noise Wow 688 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,370 she was completely super Cheshire said 689 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,200 she's never felt so good in our life it 690 00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:10,960 was the you know she's never felt so 691 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:16,340 happy so fit so well you know I never 692 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:18,710 and she a friend well she found her on 693 00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:20,360 Facebook probably about five years ago 694 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:21,920 now is just a friend if she remembered 695 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:23,410 it she said yes she did 696 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:26,420 so and I've talked to that woman as well 697 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,110 now but it happened to me as well not 698 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:32,240 like that not like that I'm not like 699 00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:34,730 your mom it was I was when I first 700 00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:36,980 started seeing my partner now Dave and 701 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:40,040 he lived with his mom his mom was old he 702 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:41,270 was looking after her and he built 703 00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:44,210 himself this thing in the garden so it 704 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:46,580 was like a man cave a really large man 705 00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:49,160 cave big TV surfer gym equipment all the 706 00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,920 rest of it so when I started staying 707 00:32:57,580 --> 00:32:53,840 over he got a bed and he put that in 708 00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,590 there and it was a full moon and 709 00:33:02,320 --> 00:32:59,360 remember the curtain will open it on the 710 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:02,330 lake this double blaster and the curtain 711 00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:03,710 was open a little bit and there was a 712 00:33:07,510 --> 00:33:05,540 big shard of light and it was all on 713 00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:07,520 part of the wall was lit up so it was 714 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:10,040 quite bright and we were just led their 715 00:33:17,489 --> 00:33:14,200 chat chatting and be Haring Dave 716 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:17,499 this ball of electricity this bolt it 717 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:20,980 just popped and it was there and it was 718 00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:23,320 about the size of a basketball and it 719 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:27,549 had like swirling lines inside it I 720 00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:29,350 don't really know how to describe it but 721 00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:31,269 everything inside it was moving 722 00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:34,149 Dave jump top thinking it was a security 723 00:33:39,869 --> 00:33:36,820 light outside because of the brightness 724 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:39,879 and I'm good and it just popped and 725 00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:42,190 vanished again so he's looking out of 726 00:33:50,369 --> 00:33:47,320 the window and I when Dave Dave anything 727 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:50,379 like that security like I said it's not 728 00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:55,570 the security like intubated you're not 729 00:33:59,159 --> 00:33:56,700 gonna like it 730 00:34:01,229 --> 00:33:59,169 this is a big ball of light just to pay 731 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,239 a fee I do just wait pop and then 732 00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,720 arrived and then that's it he he reacted 733 00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,399 to it dropped out of bed and he can't 734 00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:08,079 see it cuz it was to his back behind his 735 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:11,020 back and it was you know he jumps up 736 00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:12,520 thinking that the security like to come 737 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:14,349 on outside and it just popped again and 738 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:16,750 vanished for what is what are these 739 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:21,569 balls of electricity very interesting 740 00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:25,899 you know I I renig odd she just put out 741 00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:29,079 a new book recently but she had the book 742 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:31,929 before her her new book is called sacred 743 00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,210 corridors she actually tells my mom's 744 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:36,879 story sure she talks about it a little 745 00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,730 bit but in her the book before is called 746 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:42,399 inside the lightning ball and she and 747 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:43,929 her sister when they were children they 748 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:46,210 hadn't experienced much like the one 749 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:49,210 that you're talking about and a lot like 750 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:51,250 the one you know what my mom told you 751 00:34:56,819 --> 00:34:54,970 know and and Irina went on to have she 752 00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:56,829 was I mean I believe she was probably 753 00:35:03,180 --> 00:34:59,470 abducted she's she's she went on to work 754 00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:03,190 for the DIA and for she worked she has a 755 00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:08,680 PhD she's a full-on scientist and but 756 00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:11,140 she she and her sister had had an 757 00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,020 experience together that was very much 758 00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:16,000 exactly like what you're talking about 759 00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:18,040 their little ball their ball of light 760 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,900 was smaller they thought of it as Tinker 761 00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:22,000 Bell or or something but both she and 762 00:35:27,089 --> 00:35:25,150 her sister remember it they were 763 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:27,099 entranced by it but then they became 764 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,720 skier 765 00:35:32,359 --> 00:35:30,660 of it and they ran downstairs and of 766 00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:32,369 course the parents kind of calmed them 767 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:34,109 down and told them they were imagine 768 00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:36,330 inna but you you know two people don't 769 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:38,150 have the same dream at the same time 770 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:42,720 people don't share hallucinations and 771 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:45,450 we're talking to PhD an immense emember 772 00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:48,330 here so you know I have a lot of respect 773 00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:52,500 for dr. Irina and apparently I mean you 774 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:54,270 know it sounds like the Foo Fighters 775 00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:56,190 that fighter pilots were seen during 776 00:36:02,599 --> 00:35:59,880 World War two you know my dad was a b-17 777 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,609 tail gunner and he expressed that he'd 778 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:05,040 seen you know Foo Fighters he he thought 779 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:07,470 it was a natural phenomenon but it did 780 00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:08,700 seem like they would follow the 781 00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:10,230 airplanes and that they were being 782 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:13,230 observed maybe it's an alien probe but 783 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:20,609 maybe it's the aliens themselves in 784 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:23,609 certain ways because of the shape of 785 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:27,330 their cones in our eyes so yes we really 786 00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,210 don't know a lot of what's going on 787 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:33,599 around us the way I see it now is is 788 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:37,380 it's they tell a story about when when 789 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:39,570 Cortez came to the new world for the 790 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:43,800 first time that the that the American 791 00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:47,070 Indians were not able to actually see 792 00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:49,830 the big giant ships that they had sailed 793 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:52,230 over the ocean but they didn't recognize 794 00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:54,810 them and or understand them it was like 795 00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,380 it was a blind spot in their psyche they 796 00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,619 didn't see the conch we stood oars until 797 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:03,240 they were actually growing up to the 798 00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,609 shore and their small boats those they 799 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:07,619 could understand it was like a canoe and 800 00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:11,310 they knew about those but I think that 801 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:13,619 there's a blind spot of perception that 802 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:16,680 humans have and that maybe our visitors 803 00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:18,630 actually use that as a form of 804 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:24,240 camouflage yeah and and and so maybe 805 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,030 maybe everything you know flying saucers 806 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,240 that people saw during the 1950's I mean 807 00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,490 there's I believe there's an interactive 808 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:34,560 thing that's going on between us and our 809 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:38,070 visitors and and that they can use that 810 00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:40,170 to their convenience sometimes and and 811 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:42,390 that will see what they want us to see 812 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,910 or what we're capable of seeing and and 813 00:37:49,579 --> 00:37:47,280 but we're only capable of seeing so much 814 00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,589 we're like you know two-dimensional 815 00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,119 creatures trying to understand a 816 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:53,280 three-dimensional form you know we're 817 00:38:04,910 --> 00:37:57,420 we're all Flatlanders really there's a 818 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:04,920 flat earth I don't believe but it's I 819 00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:07,830 think that it may be a dimensional 820 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:09,960 phenomenon it's all outer space to me 821 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:11,580 you know yeah I mean they're it's 822 00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,210 light-years or dimensions over who 823 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:18,599 wherever our visitors come from their 824 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:21,270 technology is higher than us and and we 825 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:23,790 may not even be able to understand or 826 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:27,359 see them in their true form and given 827 00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:29,220 maybe this kind of a reasonable 828 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:32,760 facsimile for us well I know that the do 829 00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:35,849 you know we only see what they want us 830 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:40,859 to see in 2012 and January I woke up and 831 00:38:46,339 --> 00:38:43,530 I felt like somebody was drilling inside 832 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,349 my head you know 833 00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:49,200 a really really strong vibration it 834 00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:50,849 knocked me for six 835 00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:55,560 could really hardly move was trying to 836 00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:00,599 move and as the as I looked to my feet 837 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:02,849 at the bottom of the bed was the doorway 838 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:04,920 and the light I always had the light on 839 00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,690 in the hall was a very spooky house I 840 00:39:10,579 --> 00:39:08,400 didn't like to have the white on above 841 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,589 me and in the room so I left the door 842 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:13,380 open and the whole light arm and then I 843 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,990 would be able to see the room and so I 844 00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:18,000 woke up this time and had this buzzing 845 00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:19,830 and drilling in my eye but I have a lot 846 00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,080 of stuff Lee happens that's weird you 847 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:24,599 know when I'm asleep and sometimes I 848 00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:26,190 think I'm acting things out I don't know 849 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:27,630 what's going on it's hard to you know 850 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:30,330 get a grip of what's going on so as I 851 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,890 can see somebody stood in the doorway 852 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:34,440 and I thought it was a Power Ranger and 853 00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:36,570 I've got a little boy so Power Rangers a 854 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:39,750 part of my life you know especially them 855 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:41,970 so that's I was like it's a Power Ranger 856 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:45,030 no it's a baker and then I thought what 857 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:47,910 is it no it's not like oh my god 858 00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:50,970 and I as I was like they're looking at 859 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:52,790 this thing in the doorway I was 860 00:39:58,750 --> 00:39:56,000 thinking to myself this is ridiculous 861 00:40:00,520 --> 00:39:58,760 that I'm actually looking at an alien in 862 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:00,530 a silver suit with a helmet 863 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:02,390 you know there's silly stories you think 864 00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:04,730 that's silly silly stuff why would the 865 00:40:09,550 --> 00:40:06,380 wear clothes and things like that you 866 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:09,560 know so um I'd realized what I was 867 00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:14,270 looking at and I was just saying like go 868 00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:17,900 away leave me alone you know he didn't 869 00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:19,580 want anything to do with me it was there 870 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:23,990 for the other people in the house and so 871 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:25,970 I was I was thinking to myself this is 872 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:27,110 ridiculous 873 00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:30,110 they it's wearing this well I'm trying 874 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:31,640 to get up I'm trying to pull myself up 875 00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:33,530 but all I'm doing is grabbing handfuls 876 00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:35,660 of the duvet cover and not the quilt I 877 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:37,100 couldn't actually get a purchase and 878 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:41,210 anything to sit up and see how could I 879 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:42,650 like in memories but legs maybe mouths 880 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:45,050 moving and not a lot happening you know 881 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:48,910 well I'm looking at this thing and so 882 00:40:54,490 --> 00:40:52,130 one part first it was staring at me you 883 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:54,500 know so it's like face onto me and then 884 00:40:58,090 --> 00:40:56,510 it was looking down the stairs because 885 00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:58,100 the staircase was literally right 886 00:41:02,650 --> 00:41:00,140 outside my bedroom door and I was in the 887 00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:02,660 attic and it was looking down the stairs 888 00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:05,360 and I'm thinking this is ridiculous 889 00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:08,420 he's got a helmet and the silver so you 890 00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,540 know he looked at me and as soon as it 891 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:13,040 looked something on us our big buck eyes 892 00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:17,810 and this huge visor and it was like warm 893 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:21,470 water trickling inside my head that's 894 00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:25,130 sorry it felt like like a bomb of water 895 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:28,580 and it was information and that's 896 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:31,250 telepathy I understand this now there 897 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:33,170 were no words it was not words 898 00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:36,700 it was images and it was like and just 899 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:39,560 it was just like an information bomb so 900 00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:42,470 I knew something without being told it 901 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:45,580 or having to read it it was a case of 902 00:41:51,850 --> 00:41:49,760 suit the silver threads that were 903 00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:51,860 running through it they send out an 904 00:42:00,940 --> 00:41:55,180 electrical current it bends light around 905 00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:00,950 itself so it can mask it can be can't be 906 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:06,300 seen in infrared things like that 907 00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:09,490 and it protects them from other forms of 908 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:12,359 light which can penetrate into their 909 00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:14,650 internal organs or whatever they've got 910 00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,660 going on in there and that can affect 911 00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:19,599 them so it keeps in heat so there's no 912 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,550 heat signature it bends light so that 913 00:42:29,370 --> 00:42:24,160 there's no everything you can't see it 914 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:29,380 and you know it just basically makes 915 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:32,530 them invisible to any kind of technology 916 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:36,730 and the helmet I kind of got a close-up 917 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:38,740 somehow I can see it like it was like a 918 00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,310 Nike swoosh with a circle in it and it 919 00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:44,560 was a filter an air filter because the 920 00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:48,099 air is toxic to them but the helmet was 921 00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:52,030 for because there's a signal being 922 00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:56,380 emitted that disrupts their mental 923 00:43:02,130 --> 00:42:59,800 function and I don't know if they can 924 00:43:05,339 --> 00:43:02,140 become separated or you know it 925 00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:05,349 basically this high-pitched tone affects 926 00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:09,099 their mental function the is toxic to 927 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:13,119 them and the suit basically masks them 928 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:17,530 and it had shown itself to me because I 929 00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:19,720 knew they were around and you were I 930 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,190 could feel them I knew that was 931 00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:22,480 something was going on and I knew 932 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:24,099 something was going on with my children 933 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:27,730 and I just knew it and I all night I was 934 00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,250 in the kitchen and I can remember 935 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:32,319 thinking I know yeah I know yeah I could 936 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:34,329 feel them and I said you were 937 00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:37,390 cowards hiding hmm you know 938 00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:38,260 you're pathetic 939 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:42,220 hiding from me oh you know hiding from a 940 00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:44,410 little woman with a children on her own 941 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:46,990 at home you know at you bridge and so 942 00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:48,310 the shirt themselves to make because I 943 00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:50,020 challenged him like that I said that no 944 00:43:58,109 --> 00:43:52,390 you are here I can feel you 945 00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:58,119 and then so a little while later after 946 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:01,180 this parlor my friend she's telling me 947 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:03,490 about this experience she has with this 948 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:07,089 little alien the little gray that he 949 00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:09,130 sometimes makes himself look human and 950 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:18,260 little Tobey alien and Wow he 951 00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,710 actually I mean that's that's actually a 952 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:22,720 Whitley Strieber had had some of those 953 00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:29,170 little guys yeah as well but she said 954 00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:30,820 that she's kind of like on the street 955 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:32,440 and she knew it was in America you know 956 00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:34,030 she's never been it was in America and 957 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:36,070 there are these skyscrapers and there 958 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:38,110 were groups of people on the pavement 959 00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:39,640 you know either side of the road and 960 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:41,140 they were talking to each other they 961 00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:44,650 were just like a normal scene but this 962 00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:46,540 Danny DeVito and they had this thing in 963 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:49,600 the hand it was like a jellyfish and he 964 00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:51,310 said put it to your eyes so she picked 965 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:53,320 it up and she took it did she put it in 966 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,270 front of her face and it came to life 967 00:44:59,310 --> 00:44:57,760 and suckered itself on so around her 968 00:45:01,860 --> 00:44:59,320 eyes and over and those not all of her 969 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,870 nostrils think of her nostrils being 970 00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:05,440 suckered itself onto her face and she 971 00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:07,360 said she looked up and in between these 972 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:09,400 buildings she could see geometric shapes 973 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:12,250 hanging in the air like square you know 974 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:17,680 like cubes in the clouds there were fish 975 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:22,140 swimming in between the buildings and 976 00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:24,010 she said she could hear the 977 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:25,660 conversations of all of these different 978 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:27,610 people that were around her but she 979 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:28,810 could understand what they were all 980 00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:30,370 talking about it wasn't a jumble of 981 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:33,160 noise it's suddenly become separated and 982 00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,290 she could hear everything and she 983 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:36,640 understood what was going on around her 984 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,850 behind her in front of air above her 985 00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:42,160 she's just knew 3:16 what was going on 986 00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:44,230 and could hear all these individual 987 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:45,790 different conversations without it 988 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:47,260 getting confused and messed up in the 989 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:49,570 head so I said well that's interesting 990 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:51,250 because we've got now we've got the suit 991 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,970 the helmet and the eyes between us so 992 00:46:00,960 --> 00:45:57,040 you know it's it it's important that we 993 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:00,970 talk as abductees because we find these 994 00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:04,450 little things out like that yeah well I 995 00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:05,800 think that we're being visited by 996 00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:08,920 multiple races and I think that there's 997 00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:12,100 different different you know various 998 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:15,340 intent even in the same races sometimes 999 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:17,770 I mean some people will you know I 1000 00:46:23,610 --> 00:46:19,990 working with the experiencer research 1001 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,620 team I hear a lot of a lot of people's 1002 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,560 stories about their visitations and and 1003 00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:28,960 some of them it's a continual horror 1004 00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:32,020 show and for other people it's like 1005 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:34,630 it's their Angel overseers they couldn't 1006 00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:37,510 imagine not having them there and this 1007 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,220 was a mystery to me it still is a 1008 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:40,720 mystery I mean if I told you I 1009 00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:42,670 understood it I would be lying to you I 1010 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:44,830 mean I feel like I have a better 1011 00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:46,930 understanding of it than I used to I was 1012 00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:50,620 very naive about it but but I think that 1013 00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:53,140 there's there's it's almost like some of 1014 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,380 us are tagged for some reason it's a 1015 00:47:00,540 --> 00:46:58,240 lifelong thing I think that that 1016 00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:00,550 happened with my mom it probably 1017 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:01,990 happened with you and your friend as 1018 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:03,850 well I I don't think there's anything 1019 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:06,430 random about the visitations that people 1020 00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:10,570 are experiencing well the way that Paul 1021 00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:12,310 occurrence in real life was very strange 1022 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:15,670 as well because at that time it was 1023 00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:18,250 wedding you know I'd seen that gray in 1024 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:20,320 the January it was the following July 1025 00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:23,140 that I met Paula and she didn't know 1026 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:25,060 what was going on with her and I'd never 1027 00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:26,770 had anything to do with the Grays before 1028 00:47:31,650 --> 00:47:29,740 I'd add reptilians the little blue guys 1029 00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:31,660 and the little beige one with like human 1030 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:36,640 eyes but you know she's a nice life long 1031 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:39,850 situation with greys and it was all new 1032 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:42,250 to me was this one and it wasn't even 1033 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:44,250 about me it was about one of my children 1034 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:47,140 so I didn't know what was going on and 1035 00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:49,090 and we came into each other's lives 1036 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:51,400 in such a strange way that we kind of 1037 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:52,990 really fit it together at that time 1038 00:48:00,120 --> 00:47:57,970 because I knew about aliens and she even 1039 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:00,130 though it's hard to believe you know 1040 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:01,750 somebody's describing these little 1041 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:03,430 three-foot brave things with big black 1042 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:04,930 eyes and they still don't know that it's 1043 00:48:10,830 --> 00:48:07,090 aliens you know you need it saying to 1044 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:10,840 you sometimes but I was lost I was 1045 00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:13,110 completely lost I was a single mom and 1046 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:15,790 you know I didn't know what to do and I 1047 00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:17,710 just knew they were there just knew 1048 00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:20,680 something was going on and the house I 1049 00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:22,420 was I've been so much paranormal stuff 1050 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:24,760 going on as well I'm a little bi we're 1051 00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:27,010 seeing a dead body behind the surfer and 1052 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:28,390 you know all this kind of weird stuff 1053 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:30,970 for Paula's a medium so she's used to 1054 00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:32,620 all these things even though she's not 1055 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:34,270 she doesn't do readings are anything 1056 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:36,850 like doesn't have any profession in it 1057 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:38,770 she is wrong and she has these 1058 00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:39,930 experiences 1059 00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:43,140 and it was weird weird weird how we 1060 00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:45,630 ended up together right at that point in 1061 00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:49,230 time and my little boy he walks up to 1062 00:48:56,349 --> 00:48:53,670 her dear girl do you see the aliens you 1063 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:56,359 know it's not talking to her about them 1064 00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,650 as he talked to me about though he was 1065 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:00,720 crazy when he was 3 years old 1066 00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:03,210 telling me this stuff and this one 1067 00:49:08,049 --> 00:49:05,039 particular on that day told me all these 1068 00:49:10,789 --> 00:49:08,059 things that had happened to him and I 1069 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:10,799 was in the bathroom upstairs and I was 1070 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:12,569 cleaning their bathroom because the kids 1071 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:13,770 have their own bathroom had to another 1072 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,450 one massive massive house that I lived 1073 00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:17,400 in all alone with you see me children 1074 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,960 and it comes up behind mine and I'm 1075 00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:23,760 thinking how can I stop this what can I 1076 00:49:27,769 --> 00:49:26,339 do I can't sit outside the bedroom door 1077 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:27,779 with a knife all night you know these 1078 00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:30,329 kind of thinking like how can I stop him 1079 00:49:35,029 --> 00:49:31,740 how could I get him to leave him alone 1080 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,039 and and he just walked up behind me and 1081 00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,720 he wasn't even anywhere near me I'm not 1082 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,240 saying anything out loud and he goes you 1083 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:41,880 can't stop him mommy and I just turned 1084 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:43,410 around and I looked at him and I said 1085 00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:45,690 why not and he said because the bigger 1086 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:47,369 than you and he turned around and walked 1087 00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,970 off I just lost it I lost it that night 1088 00:49:57,049 --> 00:49:53,460 I've never lost it like that in my life 1089 00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,059 I did not make a sound but I screamed 1090 00:50:02,809 --> 00:49:59,339 and carried on and said all sorts of 1091 00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:02,819 things you know and you know he's 1092 00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:05,430 talking about it like he'd talk about 1093 00:50:09,529 --> 00:50:07,700 something he'd seen on TV but you know 1094 00:50:12,799 --> 00:50:09,539 something that had happened to a friend 1095 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,809 or whatever just like he's going to 1096 00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:15,480 school soon and he's gonna talk about it 1097 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:17,670 like oh my god you know I've just my 1098 00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,770 brain flicked it was like you've got to 1099 00:50:21,859 --> 00:50:21,420 do something about this this is your 1100 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,869 fault 1101 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,760 y'all gonna messes I don't like you've 1102 00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:26,160 messed mind up blah blah blah you know I 1103 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:28,140 kind of stuff but I was crazy I was a 1104 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,609 crazy person and the next day or a 1105 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,680 couple of days later and I think I'm 1106 00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:36,900 sure it was the next day and parlour 1107 00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:40,529 will come around and ice because he 1108 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,510 talks about in front of her I just 1109 00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:43,980 mentioned something I don't put it in 1110 00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:46,310 his head and I've never remain 1111 00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:48,950 and he went oh they went in my room mama 1112 00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:49,820 don't be silly 1113 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:51,320 anyway they said bye-bye now they've 1114 00:50:57,849 --> 00:50:55,970 gone away and I thought wow it worked so 1115 00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,859 I don't know if that works forever 1116 00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,079 because I've not heard anything out it 1117 00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:03,200 does work for some people I mean the the 1118 00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:05,630 things that seem to work if you want to 1119 00:51:13,150 --> 00:51:10,520 make visitations stop if the person has 1120 00:51:15,069 --> 00:51:13,160 a religious background they can call on 1121 00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:15,079 their deity and that seems to work 1122 00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:18,200 whether it's a Christian or or Buddhist 1123 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:22,820 or Hindu or anything that seems to be 1124 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:25,010 one way that you can you know bind it 1125 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:28,609 like a spirit and and cast it out if you 1126 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:33,970 have a background in say like paganism 1127 00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:36,890 you can do the same burning of sage and 1128 00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:39,740 the rain of salt around the house and 1129 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:42,859 and banishing it from your house that's 1130 00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:45,410 supposed to work and some people just 1131 00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,680 say like like your like your son said to 1132 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:50,960 you that all you have to do is ask and 1133 00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:53,690 just tell them this is is interrupting 1134 00:52:00,010 --> 00:51:57,260 my life it's it's it's doing a harm and 1135 00:52:03,059 --> 00:52:00,020 to myself and my family and you have to 1136 00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:03,069 stop and sometimes that works 1137 00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:05,900 unfortunately for some people though it 1138 00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:08,900 that it seems like nothing really can 1139 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:13,310 stop it and I've met people that that 1140 00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:16,130 just wanted to strangle or shoot their 1141 00:52:20,859 --> 00:52:18,380 aliens you know I there there was one 1142 00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:20,869 guy that started sleeping with a pistol 1143 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:22,790 and he was just thinking well if I can 1144 00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,400 just you know get them before I go into 1145 00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:27,920 total paralysis maybe I can kill them 1146 00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:29,960 you know it's like well you probably 1147 00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,150 don't want to do that you know you the 1148 00:52:35,770 --> 00:52:33,920 bullet will go through the wall and kill 1149 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:35,780 a neighbor or you might start an 1150 00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:39,050 interstellar war or something that's 1151 00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:40,240 such a good idea 1152 00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:44,540 Paul Paul I managed to kick one who 1153 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:46,190 should get a leg free you know the kind 1154 00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:48,410 of like that he can't move really she 1155 00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:50,420 sort of she kicked it she said he just 1156 00:52:55,150 --> 00:52:53,180 flew backwards so you know like she 1157 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:55,160 didn't kick it really really hard it was 1158 00:52:59,410 --> 00:52:57,530 kind of like more like a leg jerk 1159 00:53:02,830 --> 00:52:59,420 is she didn't have full control over her 1160 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:02,840 body and it came back as a cat and you 1161 00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:06,050 know because she's a cat lady so she's 1162 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:08,300 going now did you do it like that and 1163 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:15,250 normal thing to it you know I mean 1164 00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:17,570 that's the thing and I I've recently 1165 00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:19,580 taken the saying that it's not so much 1166 00:53:24,580 --> 00:53:21,560 paranormal as that we just need to 1167 00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:24,590 expand our idea of what normal is yeah 1168 00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:27,710 you look at physics you know it's is it 1169 00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:29,860 a wave or a particle I mean this drove 1170 00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:32,780 Einstein nuts he said I can't believe 1171 00:53:37,090 --> 00:53:35,000 this you know God doesn't play dice with 1172 00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:37,100 the universe but apparently God does 1173 00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:40,220 like to play dice with the universe and 1174 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:42,110 you know they would they had like this 1175 00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:44,450 double slit experiment they did where 1176 00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:46,550 you know it would be a a particle would 1177 00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:51,020 go in and then by looking at it and 1178 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:52,910 observing it the scientists would 1179 00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:54,770 actually they would they would get the 1180 00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,390 result that they were expecting maybe 1181 00:54:00,010 --> 00:53:58,160 they would think of it should act like a 1182 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:00,020 wave and the particle which would have 1183 00:54:05,110 --> 00:54:03,050 the appearance of a wave and they came 1184 00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:05,120 up with a nonsense word called a wave 1185 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:08,420 achill to explain it but it doesn't make 1186 00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:10,610 any sense and they know that you want 1187 00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,100 some entanglement stuff and I think that 1188 00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:16,640 the the phenomenon is is large things 1189 00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:18,980 acting like the smallest things that 1190 00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:21,800 exist it's like the shire cat or like 1191 00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:24,590 Schrodinger's cat you know I mean you 1192 00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:26,750 can go out there is a UFO investigator 1193 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:28,700 and hope to catch you know something 1194 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:31,310 with a net that's physical and as soon 1195 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:33,530 as you know swooped down goes the net it 1196 00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:35,450 takes on the attributes of something 1197 00:54:41,110 --> 00:54:39,500 like a ghost and this is not unusual you 1198 00:54:43,090 --> 00:54:41,120 know Jacques Vallee is written about 1199 00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:43,100 this is talked about it for many many 1200 00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:47,660 years and I've experienced this and I 1201 00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:50,750 know other people have as well that but 1202 00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:52,700 it's almost like you know it's quantum 1203 00:54:58,930 --> 00:54:55,700 physics brought up to a level that is 1204 00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,940 physical and observable to humans it's 1205 00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:00,740 it's huge things acting like the 1206 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:02,870 smallest things in the universe 1207 00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:05,690 these don't they'll repeat that they 1208 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:07,790 they look like stuff I've got an album 1209 00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:10,010 on Facebook with things that I blow my 1210 00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:10,580 mind 1211 00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:14,660 cult stuff that looks like stuff you 1212 00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:16,190 know you got a clock that looks like a 1213 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:18,590 galaxy and you know there's all those 1214 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:20,330 kind of things that micro macro and the 1215 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:25,970 micro that there's little it's like 1216 00:55:30,340 --> 00:55:28,460 looking at a Mandelbrot fractal you know 1217 00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:30,350 I mean it's repeated patterns and they 1218 00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:32,900 go on and on and on and it's the same 1219 00:55:38,350 --> 00:55:35,900 patterns but it's minuscule to two grand 1220 00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,360 and and you look at the whole pattern 1221 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:40,400 from a distance and and all the the 1222 00:55:47,830 --> 00:55:43,010 entirety of it looks like the smallest 1223 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:47,840 little tributary of the fractal and it's 1224 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:49,490 the same thing with with with this 1225 00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,150 phenomenon it's it's very very strange 1226 00:56:00,520 --> 00:55:55,280 but it's no stranger than popular 1227 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:00,530 physics right now well I actually liked 1228 00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:02,450 you know the skin walk around your 1229 00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:04,700 investigation that the dead now I 1230 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:06,470 thought that was interesting some of the 1231 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:07,970 stuff that they'd seen there with the 1232 00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:11,330 big like the the orange circle that 1233 00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:13,190 opened it was like a heart beating and 1234 00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:14,900 it was Paulson and pulsing and then 1235 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:18,200 something stepped out of it right 1236 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:20,930 well Paula friend she's seen that in 1237 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:23,690 Bradford which is a city you know it 1238 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:26,510 leaves us kind of it's not very fancy 1239 00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,050 city you know you go you are there no 1240 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:32,960 way so this phenomena is not exclusive 1241 00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:34,730 to places like that I think it needs a 1242 00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:37,460 living agent as well so depending on 1243 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:39,620 who's living in the areas depends on the 1244 00:56:44,740 --> 00:56:41,690 kind of nature of the activity that 1245 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:44,750 might go on around there but the thing 1246 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:46,610 that they did the thing that they did 1247 00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:48,410 was they stuck to a very strict 1248 00:56:52,510 --> 00:56:50,360 guideline of what they would accept as 1249 00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:52,520 evidence and then they discounted 1250 00:56:58,030 --> 00:56:55,550 everything else but everything else is 1251 00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:58,040 all a part of what was going on and I 1252 00:57:03,040 --> 00:56:59,960 really wish that they would take all 1253 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:03,050 that data and marry it so the stuff that 1254 00:57:07,780 --> 00:57:05,690 they they left you know they left into 1255 00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:07,790 in the their findings and brought about 1256 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:11,390 in the book and what was all the papers 1257 00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:13,640 that they've discounted that's what I 1258 00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:16,040 want to know because that's where I 1259 00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:19,340 think we will make most headway not the 1260 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:21,140 big things the little things the little 1261 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:22,850 traces left behind 1262 00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:26,050 you know the vapors literally vapors 1263 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:28,580 you've seen that loot the film loopers 1264 00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:32,570 whether jumping from jump from place to 1265 00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:35,030 place and they can follow that they can 1266 00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:37,220 trace that I mean that's the kind of 1267 00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:39,980 thing that I'm kind of picturing in my 1268 00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:42,620 head when I say that these vapors has 1269 00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:45,500 got to be something measurable they're 1270 00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:48,350 with the right equipment you know all 1271 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:50,390 right so - I think it's a physical 1272 00:57:54,790 --> 00:57:51,890 phenomena it's not all just 1273 00:57:57,630 --> 00:57:54,800 psychological I think they can use you 1274 00:58:01,090 --> 00:57:57,640 know our our own psyches as a form of 1275 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:01,100 camouflage sometimes or that perhaps 1276 00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:03,260 they appear to us in a way that we can 1277 00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,270 understand is simply because we couldn't 1278 00:58:11,290 --> 00:58:08,960 understand otherwise or maybe just the 1279 00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:11,300 way that our minds interpret seen 1280 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:14,630 something that's ineffable you know but 1281 00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:18,410 but I agree I and I think that that the 1282 00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:20,660 phenomenon it seems to open up a portal 1283 00:58:26,650 --> 00:58:23,300 and that that strange stuff comes 1284 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:26,660 through and it's not just in our 1285 00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:29,690 lifetimes or our parents lifetimes I 1286 00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:32,540 mean the RAND Corporation for instance 1287 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:34,670 which was a part of Hughes Aircraft at 1288 00:58:39,310 --> 00:58:37,130 one time it was you know the the 1289 00:58:43,570 --> 00:58:39,320 research and development wing of the 1290 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:43,580 army they used to give new workers a 1291 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:47,210 little pamphlet that was about UFOs and 1292 00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:49,130 I actually have a copy of the pamphlet 1293 00:58:57,070 --> 00:58:51,620 all right I have a you know copy of it 1294 00:58:59,770 --> 00:58:57,080 that I got it as a PDF file but in in in 1295 00:59:03,550 --> 00:58:59,780 the the pamphlet talked about religious 1296 00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:03,560 sightings like Waterloo Bay the Virgin 1297 00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:06,080 of Guadalupe where a whole town saw this 1298 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:09,260 had this religious experience saw this 1299 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:12,080 saw the virgin come down in the sky and 1300 00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:15,260 was there over them and it was had every 1301 00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,110 single attribute that you would have 1302 00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:19,520 with something like say the Phoenix 1303 00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:23,030 lights or the Chicago O'Hare flying 1304 00:59:31,630 --> 00:59:28,340 saucer that people saw back in 2004 I 1305 00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:31,640 think that was or 2007 I I forget but 1306 00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:33,110 but you know when you have mass 1307 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:36,200 sightings of a UFO it's very much 1308 00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:38,690 like some of the mass sightings that 1309 00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:41,660 happened around a religious figure and I 1310 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:43,160 don't know that it's any different I 1311 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:44,750 think that we're being interacted with 1312 00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:47,210 by something that's greater than us as 1313 00:59:54,370 --> 00:59:50,359 far as they're more technologically 1314 00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:54,380 advanced but that it's been going on for 1315 00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,500 four millennia you know good you can 1316 01:00:03,339 --> 00:59:59,599 really you know ezekiel's you know 1317 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:03,349 vision of the wheel in the sky as a UFO 1318 01:00:08,530 --> 01:00:05,960 sighting and and it holds up very very 1319 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:08,540 well or that you know you go back into 1320 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:11,750 Sanskrit from India from 5,000 years ago 1321 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:15,680 and it pretty much describes UFOs coming 1322 01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:18,170 down from the sky and interacting with 1323 01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:19,910 the people it's beings that are 1324 01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:21,950 interacting with them and it actually 1325 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:24,230 describes a nuclear war that happened 1326 01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:27,530 and people have taken soil samples from 1327 01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:30,260 those areas in India and in yes indeed 1328 01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:32,990 there's radioactivity that you can still 1329 01:00:38,290 --> 01:00:36,380 find in the soil so I don't think this 1330 01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:38,300 is a new phenomena I don't think that it 1331 01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:40,430 started with Roswell or anything like 1332 01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:42,500 that I think it's probably been tracking 1333 01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:45,500 us since maybe since we I mean maybe 1334 01:00:53,770 --> 01:00:51,200 it's what created us and yeah and the 1335 01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:53,780 paranoia the paranormal elements seem to 1336 01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:57,140 be a part of it and and paranormal is 1337 01:01:03,460 --> 01:00:59,900 just beyond our sense of what normal is 1338 01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:03,470 and I think we just need to expand our 1339 01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,540 idea of what normal is because modern 1340 01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:08,240 physics certainly are not what people 1341 01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:10,609 normally experience in their lives you 1342 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:14,240 know but the phenomena certainly seems 1343 01:01:18,099 --> 01:01:16,130 to work on the basis of quantum 1344 01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:18,109 entanglement and and and some of these 1345 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:19,869 things that we've learned over the last 1346 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:24,050 few decades and in physics what works on 1347 01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,210 a small level also works in a large 1348 01:01:32,050 --> 01:01:29,119 level you know the microcosm is you're 1349 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:32,060 you were saying earlier is is is 1350 01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,450 absolutely the same same as the 1351 01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:37,520 macrocosm they're interconnected it's 1352 01:01:43,329 --> 01:01:41,599 the same thing yeah it's crazy we don't 1353 01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:43,339 even know what we are but we think that 1354 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:46,760 we know that some people they go that 1355 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:48,930 things are impossible 1356 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:52,170 you know aliens how ridiculous I just 1357 01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:55,290 think how how absurd away how absurd is 1358 01:02:03,140 --> 01:01:59,400 anything where we live our solar system 1359 01:02:05,810 --> 01:02:03,150 our Sun is hurtling through blackness 1360 01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:05,820 and we're all whizzing around it and you 1361 01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:08,670 know it's crazy that any life can live 1362 01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:14,760 under these conditions it's just a big 1363 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,550 image of what Adam looks like really you 1364 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:19,440 know I mean that you've got the neutron 1365 01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:22,050 and a positron and you've got ya the 1366 01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:24,180 proton and everything's revolving and 1367 01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,520 and it's like a miniature solar system 1368 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:29,520 and again you know you port you know 1369 01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:32,280 cream into your tea or your coffee and 1370 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:34,110 it's a little galaxy there it's just 1371 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:36,690 repeated patterns yeah that happens on a 1372 01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:38,490 small scale it happens in the grand 1373 01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:42,180 scale and I think patterns happen 1374 01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:45,540 through everything they kind of have you 1375 01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:47,750 know as far as the paranormal and things 1376 01:02:53,330 --> 01:02:50,910 and even religion we have these 1377 01:02:58,790 --> 01:02:53,340 archetypal patterns that seem to be 1378 01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:58,800 consistent and reflected in most major 1379 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:01,980 films star wars and you know all of it 1380 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,540 you've got all the V archetypal 1381 01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:06,000 characters all these patterns that 1382 01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,910 repeat themselves throughout everything 1383 01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:12,000 you can you know there's a mirror 1384 01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:13,830 through all religions as well as the 1385 01:03:19,310 --> 01:03:17,430 characters are the stories etc this is 1386 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:19,320 just everything is a pattern I think I 1387 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:22,410 don't think anything is chaos so the 1388 01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,570 hero with a thousand faces I mean you 1389 01:03:29,090 --> 01:03:26,400 know Joseph Campbell talked about this 1390 01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:29,100 stuff Paul Young talked about it Carl 1391 01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:31,080 Jung believed that UFOs that there was 1392 01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:34,440 something to it all and you know you 1393 01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:36,630 meeting your friend Paula that's a 1394 01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:38,820 perfect example of synchronicity I mean 1395 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:40,950 you'd have this astounding experience 1396 01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:43,890 that just kind of you know you went 1397 01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:46,200 through in a form of ontological shock 1398 01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:49,350 where you're just all of your walls fell 1399 01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,200 down in the face of that encounter that 1400 01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:55,200 you had and and your son mouthing the 1401 01:03:59,590 --> 01:03:57,840 things that he did that kind of 1402 01:04:02,120 --> 01:03:59,600 explained it for you and and 1403 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:02,130 corroborated that it wasn't just you 1404 01:04:06,370 --> 01:04:02,370 that 1405 01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:06,380 is going through this I mean this is not 1406 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:09,540 this happens all the time and you know 1407 01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:11,490 it's it's just a good example of 1408 01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,760 synchronicity and synchronicity is is I 1409 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:16,880 mean Carl Jung explained it as a as a 1410 01:04:24,590 --> 01:04:21,450 meaningful coincidence and it seems that 1411 01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:24,600 when people are open themselves up to 1412 01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:27,990 the phenomenon or it opens itself up to 1413 01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,580 us that synchronicities just follow in 1414 01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:35,460 tow and and it happens to me every 1415 01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:37,170 single day as I've gotten to the point 1416 01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:39,480 where it's it's not just a pedestrian 1417 01:04:45,980 --> 01:04:42,390 thing to me I still feel like it's magic 1418 01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:45,990 but but it happens and and it's a sign 1419 01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:48,780 that that you are in contact with with 1420 01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:52,020 another intelligence Jacque fillet 1421 01:04:57,860 --> 01:04:54,750 talked about it quite a bit and then the 1422 01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:57,870 longer that I research the the more I 1423 01:05:05,330 --> 01:05:01,380 kind of appreciate Jacque fillets point 1424 01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,340 of view but it's a very strange 1425 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:07,440 phenomena it's nothing new it didn't 1426 01:05:12,290 --> 01:05:10,050 start with the Atomic Age it's always 1427 01:05:16,070 --> 01:05:12,300 been with us it ramped up after the 1428 01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:16,080 atomic age began but it's the same as 1429 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:18,380 when people were seeing fairies or 1430 01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:23,370 having visions of you know Ezekiel's 1431 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:26,280 wheel again you know it's the same 1432 01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:28,290 intelligences that we're dealing with I 1433 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:31,760 believe it just appears more 1434 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:34,050 technological to us now because we're at 1435 01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:37,410 a level where we can understand that you 1436 01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:42,540 know also those evidences these UFOs in 1437 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:45,060 the arts not necessarily the cave 1438 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:47,730 drawings I mean but you know Renaissance 1439 01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,320 thousands of years actually but we know 1440 01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:00,480 in the past several hundred because of 1441 01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:04,740 being this pictorial evidence of them in 1442 01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:08,040 that works that there's a there's a good 1443 01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:09,990 website I think it's just called UFO art 1444 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:13,080 and it's got the full collection of all 1445 01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:13,930 a little you know 1446 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:15,819 the close-ups on the rest of it a little 1447 01:06:20,190 --> 01:06:17,800 the guy walking his dog looking up at 1448 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:20,200 the thing behind the Virgin Mary that 1449 01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:22,210 one's amazing what on earth is that yeah 1450 01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:24,700 that's that's a great I've seen that 1451 01:06:30,299 --> 01:06:26,920 painting that's a wonderful running and 1452 01:06:32,730 --> 01:06:30,309 the cave art as well I mean I've been 1453 01:06:34,109 --> 01:06:32,740 through to the red centre of Australia 1454 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:34,119 and I've I've seen some of the 1455 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:36,490 aboriginal you know they're the 1456 01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:40,450 pictographs that are we're talking forty 1457 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:43,630 thousand years old some of these things 1458 01:06:48,359 --> 01:06:45,640 and the stories that are behind them of 1459 01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:48,369 lightning man coming down from the sky 1460 01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:52,150 and bringing fire and civilization it 1461 01:06:56,609 --> 01:06:54,670 just matches the same stories that we 1462 01:06:59,220 --> 01:06:56,619 hear in every single culture it's it's 1463 01:07:02,880 --> 01:06:59,230 just something that's not it's it's 1464 01:07:05,609 --> 01:07:02,890 worldwide it's not just a local thing 1465 01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:05,619 that's going on it's it's happening to 1466 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:07,960 humankind and has been happening to 1467 01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:11,410 humankind what their ultimate goal is 1468 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:13,300 I'm not sure you know I hope that it's 1469 01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:16,329 to expand us and that perhaps there's 1470 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:20,079 some form of evolution that we have not 1471 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:21,970 quite gone through yet that we're in a 1472 01:07:27,059 --> 01:07:25,210 process of and and I you know my my 1473 01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:27,069 better angels tell me that that's what's 1474 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:30,190 going on and then the grand picture but 1475 01:07:35,099 --> 01:07:33,250 you know some of the stories I hear you 1476 01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:35,109 know also sound like you know they're 1477 01:07:40,589 --> 01:07:38,049 there some of them are energy vampires I 1478 01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:40,599 mean I had a really strange experience 1479 01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:45,220 myself and I've had a few and I didn't 1480 01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:48,460 really have any personal UFO sightings 1481 01:07:55,859 --> 01:07:52,480 until I became a UFO investigator but 1482 01:07:57,690 --> 01:07:55,869 when I became a UFO investigator it's as 1483 01:07:59,789 --> 01:07:57,700 soon as I had passed the field 1484 01:08:03,900 --> 01:07:59,799 investigators tests that you take at 1485 01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:03,910 MUFON to begin getting your little queue 1486 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:07,380 of UFO reports that you go in and and 1487 01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,450 investigate and you know where I'll talk 1488 01:08:17,550 --> 01:08:13,119 to the witnesses and and accrue evidence 1489 01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:17,560 it was that very week that that I had a 1490 01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:21,520 very very strange experience and my wife 1491 01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,250 after you know I was very naive about 1492 01:08:33,599 --> 01:08:31,600 the phenomenon at that time and I was 1493 01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:33,609 hoping that it was like space brothers 1494 01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:36,460 or you know that it was this this very 1495 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:38,680 benevolent thing that was out there you 1496 01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:40,900 know I maybe read too many arthur c 1497 01:08:48,180 --> 01:08:43,150 clarke books or something that like you 1498 01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:48,190 know and so but i i went to bed one 1499 01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:51,670 evening i hadn't you know taken any 1500 01:08:56,670 --> 01:08:54,670 weird psychotropic drugs or i i wasn't 1501 01:09:00,120 --> 01:08:56,680 drinking i just i just went to bed and i 1502 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:00,130 wasn't asleep yet i and i just at the 1503 01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:02,530 time i had had a hip surgery done a few 1504 01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:04,780 months before so i would sort of go in a 1505 01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:07,900 semi-recumbent position while i was 1506 01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:09,310 sleeping so I had a bunch of pillows 1507 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:12,700 behind my back and I was lying there you 1508 01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:14,650 know we had a cricket problem at our old 1509 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:17,560 house he would always hear the crickets 1510 01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:23,170 going and the rafters actually was a bit 1511 01:09:31,290 --> 01:09:29,350 of a Jenny and but things started 1512 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:31,300 getting very quiet now I had already 1513 01:09:34,590 --> 01:09:32,890 turned the lights out I was getting 1514 01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:34,600 ready to go to sleep but I wasn't asleep 1515 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:35,980 yet you know I was still going through 1516 01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,470 my thoughts of the day and and I was 1517 01:09:44,910 --> 01:09:40,480 thinking about I just received my first 1518 01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:44,920 UFO sighting report from MUFON and I had 1519 01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:46,540 already figured it out it was it was a 1520 01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:51,670 mylar balloon well you know now I talked 1521 01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:53,260 to this guy and I feel bad I'm gonna 1522 01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,820 have to bust his chops and tell them 1523 01:10:00,690 --> 01:09:57,040 that you know yeah you you actually saw 1524 01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:00,700 a star-shaped mylar balloon as going 1525 01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:02,830 through this when things became very 1526 01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:05,860 very quiet the crickets you couldn't 1527 01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:10,980 care and the room started getting bright 1528 01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:14,560 it's kind of a blue light although it 1529 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:17,020 wasn't so much the color of blue as it 1530 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:19,090 was just like the the word blue is the 1531 01:10:24,510 --> 01:10:21,610 best way I can express it it was sort of 1532 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:24,520 this peacefulness or just like this just 1533 01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:28,170 a very quiet space that I was going into 1534 01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:33,670 I was lying there and suddenly I'm a 1535 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:36,100 nurse and I take I've taken care of many 1536 01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:39,850 quadriplegics I suddenly could not move 1537 01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:42,580 I could move my arms I could not move I 1538 01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:46,360 was in total paralysis I've never 1539 01:10:51,450 --> 01:10:48,550 experienced sleep paralysis in my entire 1540 01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:51,460 life it's not something that happens to 1541 01:10:58,620 --> 01:10:54,880 me but I had the horror of not being 1542 01:11:00,150 --> 01:10:58,630 able to move and I was lying there and I 1543 01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:00,160 was looking at the corner of the room 1544 01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:02,110 and it seemed like it was swirling 1545 01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:04,990 around and the corner of the room kept 1546 01:11:09,330 --> 01:11:07,420 swirling around and it looked sort of 1547 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:09,340 like the scooby-doo cartoons where 1548 01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:10,570 they're you know the below a little 1549 01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:13,060 little thing was going on with it uh 1550 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:15,670 yeah but was real it was really 1551 01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:17,950 happening now I've got to sit on the 1552 01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:21,670 other side of our house maybe like 15 1553 01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:24,160 feet away was the next house so it had 1554 01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:25,750 to have been an interdimensional thing 1555 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:28,420 that was going on here there was there 1556 01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:31,210 wasn't a spaceship parked outside of our 1557 01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:35,260 room but the room kept flooding with 1558 01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:37,630 life it seemed to be pervading through 1559 01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:39,550 the very walls it wasn't coming through 1560 01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:41,380 the window although there was light 1561 01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:43,750 coming through the window as well but it 1562 01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:45,550 seemed like everything was taking on 1563 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:50,020 this Sheen and this swirling was going 1564 01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:53,890 on in the corner the best I can put it 1565 01:11:59,220 --> 01:11:56,380 is is that I seemed to go into sort of a 1566 01:12:02,040 --> 01:11:59,230 hypnagogic state where it wasn't like a 1567 01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:02,050 dream state but it wasn't it was 1568 01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:03,940 somewhere in between a dream state and 1569 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:09,580 being awake and I could not move and the 1570 01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:14,290 way that anyhow though the wall opened 1571 01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:16,840 up and there was distance there was 1572 01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:20,110 light and there was distance looked like 1573 01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:23,070 you know hundreds of feet maybe you know 1574 01:12:30,090 --> 01:12:27,160 that was going on behind this this 1575 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:30,100 portal for a lack of a better term for 1576 01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:37,510 it to my abject horror these little 1577 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:40,270 creatures didn't walk up they didn't 1578 01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,820 they just like slid in almost like they 1579 01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:44,800 were on ice skates and somebody was 1580 01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:47,200 pushing them or something you know where 1581 01:12:50,919 --> 01:12:49,420 they slid up around my bed there was 1582 01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,929 four of them 1583 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:53,360 and then there was a tall entity that 1584 01:12:59,229 --> 01:12:56,330 was standing in the door in the portal 1585 01:13:04,090 --> 01:12:59,239 on the side watching like an overlooker 1586 01:13:06,669 --> 01:13:04,100 a watcher and they had these long tubes 1587 01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:06,679 that they connected around my body and I 1588 01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:10,880 couldn't move and I they were taking my 1589 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:14,480 blood and they kept taking my blood and 1590 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:17,090 I was feeling light-headed at first I 1591 01:13:22,689 --> 01:13:18,650 was you know I mean the whole thing was 1592 01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:22,699 such a shock that and they were I just 1593 01:13:26,620 --> 01:13:24,380 there were there was no experience I had 1594 01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,630 ever had to compare it to and I there 1595 01:13:31,330 --> 01:13:28,159 was a last thing I ever thought would 1596 01:13:31,630 --> 01:13:31,340 ever happen to me and then but I was 1597 01:13:33,939 --> 01:13:31,640 just 1598 01:13:37,149 --> 01:13:33,949 I wasn't thinking anything except I was 1599 01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:37,159 horrified I didn't get a calming message 1600 01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:39,800 from anybody like I knew about you know 1601 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:41,449 people who had been abducted and stuff 1602 01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:43,130 that that they would get you know a 1603 01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:44,840 calming message like we're not going to 1604 01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:47,420 harm you you're gonna be okay this is 1605 01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:50,030 for a greater good and it will all be 1606 01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:50,719 over soon 1607 01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:53,270 nothing like that they just stood there 1608 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:55,640 they kept taking my blood and after a 1609 01:14:00,490 --> 01:13:56,570 while I thought they're gonna 1610 01:14:03,459 --> 01:14:00,500 exsanguinate me I read some of Linda 1611 01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,469 Moulton Howe stuff about you know they 1612 01:14:08,530 --> 01:14:06,320 did find the cow dissections and stuff 1613 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:08,540 and I and where they there wasn't any 1614 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:10,610 blood to be found in the animal I was 1615 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:12,110 wondering if that's what they were doing 1616 01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:14,570 to me because I had gotten a calming 1617 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:18,620 message but after a while that the tubes 1618 01:14:24,459 --> 01:14:21,370 deccan they disconnected from me and 1619 01:14:26,290 --> 01:14:24,469 just like they had come in they left 1620 01:14:27,939 --> 01:14:26,300 backwards they were staring at me the 1621 01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:27,949 whole time and it was the little three 1622 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:31,790 and a half foot four foot tall gray guys 1623 01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,790 with the big black eyes a slit for a 1624 01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:37,760 mouth no expression no emotion no 1625 01:14:44,050 --> 01:14:42,710 nothing just like worker bees and and I 1626 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:44,060 felt like they had treated me like an 1627 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:45,890 animal it was the opposite of space 1628 01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:49,630 brothers it was it was it was horrified 1629 01:14:55,209 --> 01:14:53,000 I never was able to delineate any 1630 01:14:58,689 --> 01:14:55,219 details of a taller creature that was 1631 01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:58,699 standing in the portal I didn't even see 1632 01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,650 him move out of the way he just kept 1633 01:15:04,450 --> 01:15:02,960 standing there and the wall closed back 1634 01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:04,460 up 1635 01:15:12,670 --> 01:15:09,980 um the room turned dark again and as 1636 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:12,680 soon as I could move I start shaking my 1637 01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:16,489 wife I was ELISA I was yelling and 1638 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:18,920 screaming at her and I think that you 1639 01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:20,570 know I'm surprised that the neighbors 1640 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:22,550 didn't call the police or anything you 1641 01:15:29,530 --> 01:15:26,090 know because I was screaming my wife is 1642 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:29,540 a very very very light sleeper she's got 1643 01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:32,450 insomnia problems and and and yeah you 1644 01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:35,150 know she was it was like there was no 1645 01:15:40,420 --> 01:15:37,190 muscle tone to her is almost like she 1646 01:15:43,930 --> 01:15:40,430 was dead and but finally she roused and 1647 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:43,940 she was so angry she was so angry it's 1648 01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:46,730 like oh my god Earl you know is this 1649 01:15:54,340 --> 01:15:49,070 what's gonna happen now you do join this 1650 01:15:56,620 --> 01:15:54,350 crazy MUFON group and oh my god and what 1651 01:15:58,540 --> 01:15:56,630 have you gotten yourself into and as far 1652 01:16:03,610 --> 01:15:58,550 as she was concerned I had just had in a 1653 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:03,620 mental episode well this is a this you 1654 01:16:07,810 --> 01:16:05,570 know I told my state director about this 1655 01:16:09,970 --> 01:16:07,820 and he was all raised eyebrows and like 1656 01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:09,980 oh god you know he's a nut 1657 01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:13,430 okay he's old you know he's yeah I think 1658 01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,640 he's opened his stuff now yeah I knew 1659 01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:19,040 Peter Robbins and even Peter Robbins was 1660 01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:22,310 sort of like really you know and how am 1661 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:24,380 i how am I gonna explain this to anybody 1662 01:16:29,170 --> 01:16:27,170 I just became a UFO investigator and I 1663 01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:29,180 get the visit from alien it's evil 1664 01:16:35,890 --> 01:16:33,800 aliens and so I kept it to myself I kept 1665 01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:35,900 it to myself for you know I mean I've 1666 01:16:40,330 --> 01:16:38,270 talked about this on maybe two others 1667 01:16:42,130 --> 01:16:40,340 show he's like I started telling my 1668 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:42,140 other field investigators about it 1669 01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:44,210 because I felt like it was a cat of yet 1670 01:16:48,580 --> 01:16:46,190 that they needed to know that you know 1671 01:16:51,010 --> 01:16:48,590 that this phenomena is interactive and 1672 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:51,020 if you draw close to it this is what 1673 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:53,570 happened to me you know I had a visit 1674 01:17:00,610 --> 01:16:56,090 and and it was it was not fun it was 1675 01:17:03,190 --> 01:17:00,620 scary but the same week um you know my 1676 01:17:07,530 --> 01:17:03,200 wife was just rolling her eyes at me and 1677 01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:07,540 just oh you know you've gone insane 1678 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:10,940 two nights later our house was lit up 1679 01:17:18,069 --> 01:17:14,930 again this time my wife shook me awake 1680 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:18,079 and the room was still wet it was 1681 01:17:21,850 --> 01:17:20,210 was like the light was pervading through 1682 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:21,860 the walls 1683 01:17:25,930 --> 01:17:24,170 there wasn't an object in the room that 1684 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:25,940 the light was coming from and it wasn't 1685 01:17:31,209 --> 01:17:29,090 coming just from the window she shook me 1686 01:17:34,419 --> 01:17:31,219 and my wife said Earl you need to tell 1687 01:17:40,209 --> 01:17:34,429 your little friends to leave us the F 1688 01:17:44,859 --> 01:17:40,219 alone you need to say that on air but 1689 01:17:47,140 --> 01:17:44,869 she said leave us the F alone I already 1690 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:47,150 have insomnia as it is and I don't need 1691 01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:51,770 this the light faded and I saw the light 1692 01:17:56,770 --> 01:17:54,320 so now at least while my wife had seen 1693 01:17:59,109 --> 01:17:56,780 something strange I mean at least I'm 1694 01:18:00,129 --> 01:17:59,119 not the only person that has a story 1695 01:18:02,649 --> 01:18:00,139 yeah 1696 01:18:05,799 --> 01:18:02,659 two nights after that we had the third 1697 01:18:08,109 --> 01:18:05,809 time where we both woke up the room was 1698 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:08,119 lit with light it was sparkly it was a 1699 01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,030 same blue color to it this time I ran to 1700 01:18:15,339 --> 01:18:12,800 the window I'm looking around it's 1701 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:15,349 coming from above our house and then it 1702 01:18:21,370 --> 01:18:17,090 just blinks off it's like somebody 1703 01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,380 turned the light off and I noticed that 1704 01:18:26,919 --> 01:18:23,920 the neighbor's porch light was on and 1705 01:18:29,770 --> 01:18:26,929 this thought goes into my head oh it was 1706 01:18:32,799 --> 01:18:29,780 it was the neighbor's porch light all 1707 01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:32,809 the time we're talking about a little 1708 01:18:43,330 --> 01:18:40,489 tiny porch light like it was maybe it 1709 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:43,340 was an excuse given to me by them you 1710 01:18:47,109 --> 01:18:45,290 know I mean it's like people will see 1711 01:18:50,589 --> 01:18:47,119 something and what they they get a 1712 01:18:54,459 --> 01:18:50,599 screen of memory of of dewy-eyed ear or 1713 01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:54,469 four foot tall owls or what have you and 1714 01:18:59,220 --> 01:18:56,770 so for whatever reason they want that 1715 01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:59,230 you know reasonable deniability 1716 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:02,719 available for you to hold on to there 1717 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:04,610 was a sighting that happened back in the 1718 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:07,130 early nineteen sixty 63 I think it was 1719 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:10,010 an Eagle River sighting where this guy 1720 01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:13,489 saw a flying saucer these entities they 1721 01:19:17,620 --> 01:19:15,199 asked him for water he brought them 1722 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:17,630 water they cooked him little alien 1723 01:19:29,410 --> 01:19:25,489 pancakes on a it's just so absurd and so 1724 01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:29,420 crazy a remark of an actual UFO sighting 1725 01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:31,710 because there is an element of absurd 1726 01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,710 every one of them I swear there's just 1727 01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:36,780 it's it's like is it a wave or a 1728 01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:40,080 particle you know we have words to 1729 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:41,030 describe it 1730 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:44,130 and his entities told him they said well 1731 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:46,530 we want you to believe in us but not 1732 01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,410 that much and I think the reasonable 1733 01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:54,480 deniability that they want to and us 1734 01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:57,690 that they don't want it to they don't 1735 01:20:04,940 --> 01:20:02,000 want to completely interrupt our lives 1736 01:20:07,220 --> 01:20:04,950 you know maybe we're just you know it 1737 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:07,230 maybe we're sort of like a game you know 1738 01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:09,570 a Game Preserve or a wild animal 1739 01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:12,110 Preserve where you know though they'll 1740 01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:14,430 tranquilize this they'll they'll track 1741 01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,760 us they'll put in tracking objects 1742 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:19,920 they'll interact but when they leave 1743 01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:21,570 they don't want you to remember they 1744 01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,820 want you to only remember the miniscule 1745 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:26,400 bit because they want to watch us being 1746 01:20:30,620 --> 01:20:28,770 humans they don't want us to they don't 1747 01:20:35,660 --> 01:20:30,630 want to watch us being humans that know 1748 01:20:42,620 --> 01:20:35,670 that we're being observed do in some 1749 01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:42,630 cases they knew that I knew I mean I 1750 01:20:47,959 --> 01:20:45,180 laughed at the neighbor's porch light it 1751 01:20:50,420 --> 01:20:47,969 was it was absurd it was it was crazier 1752 01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:50,430 than believing that the aliens and we 1753 01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,020 had been hovering over the house and 1754 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:54,560 shining a light that yeah went through 1755 01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:57,450 material objects you know to think that 1756 01:21:02,150 --> 01:20:59,219 a little porch light could flood the 1757 01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:02,160 house with light and anger my wife so 1758 01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:06,450 and the walk you know little creatures 1759 01:21:11,330 --> 01:21:08,100 sliding through you know how do you 1760 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:11,340 explain that you know you know I haven't 1761 01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:13,770 done it you know I haven't done 1762 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:15,540 mushrooms or anything since I was in 1763 01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:21,810 high school on 60 years old after a 1764 01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:25,080 group event in Wales there was a group 1765 01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:26,910 of us and we went to a cottage in Wales 1766 01:21:33,310 --> 01:21:29,219 on top of but a mountain four miles from 1767 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:33,320 Bowen and we did this ridiculous 1768 01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:36,090 encounter with a UFO absolutely huge 1769 01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:38,910 over the top of us and then a little one 1770 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:40,350 the sphere that landed on the ground 1771 01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:43,530 behind us and we went through this epic 1772 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:46,950 event and then the next day we gone out 1773 01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:48,690 walking and we were walking around the 1774 01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:50,760 village and then we went up this hill we 1775 01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,200 saw this little hill with the tree on 1776 01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:54,840 there and we kind of went up there and 1777 01:22:00,350 --> 01:21:58,110 we were you know it was impossible 1778 01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:00,360 what happened to us was impossible and 1779 01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,030 there we are on this hill in the middle 1780 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:05,280 of nowhere on a mountain in Wales where 1781 01:22:09,380 --> 01:22:07,050 there's literally nothing for miles and 1782 01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:09,390 miles of miles hoping that we're gonna 1783 01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:12,990 from that altitude be able to see down 1784 01:22:21,710 --> 01:22:15,000 across the valley and find a nightclub 1785 01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:21,720 with a laser on the roof so we were just 1786 01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:23,880 like scrabbling for anything please let 1787 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:28,100 us find a reason for a good you know 1788 01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:32,210 what you do you try and rationalize it 1789 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:36,510 you know and in every event that I've 1790 01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:38,250 had happen 1791 01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:41,310 I'm they're still trying to make sense 1792 01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,480 of things 1793 01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:45,360 from the perspective that were how the 1794 01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:47,310 situation was before when sped or 1795 01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:51,270 whatever thinking when I was taken by 1796 01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:54,050 the reptilians from a friend's house and 1797 01:22:59,720 --> 01:22:57,570 I'm in this kind of dentist's chair and 1798 01:23:02,960 --> 01:22:59,730 I think to myself because I can't move 1799 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:02,970 properly and I felt I felt completely 1800 01:23:09,170 --> 01:23:07,290 dropped and disorientated and like not 1801 01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:09,180 really we're there and I was trying to 1802 01:23:14,860 --> 01:23:11,550 move and speak at the same time and I 1803 01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:14,870 couldn't do both and I thought just 1804 01:23:19,190 --> 01:23:17,490 concentrate and making a nice just shout 1805 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:19,200 because you're in a room a house full of 1806 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:22,050 people if you shout someone little hey 1807 01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:23,450 and they'll come running 1808 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:26,670 I wasn't in the house anymore 1809 01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:29,090 I was somewhere over the dentist's chair 1810 01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:31,020 but that's how I was trying to 1811 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:32,940 rationalize the situation at the time 1812 01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:36,330 and you do you just and when you look 1813 01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:37,590 like you just think that was ridiculous 1814 01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:38,760 I even thought that there was a power 1815 01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:40,860 injury bedroom although I was going to 1816 01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:44,040 find a nightclub in Berwyn Mountain you 1817 01:23:50,020 --> 01:23:47,730 know well you know I mean you're right 1818 01:23:53,060 --> 01:23:50,030 we do try to rationalize it and and I 1819 01:23:55,730 --> 01:23:53,070 especially you know I've been trained as 1820 01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:55,740 a field investigator and you know we get 1821 01:24:01,260 --> 01:23:56,590 hoaxes 1822 01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:01,270 unfortunately you know I had somebody 1823 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:06,280 try to run a CGI hoax past me and you 1824 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:08,530 know I found there their public profile 1825 01:24:12,209 --> 01:24:10,090 up on the Internet 1826 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:12,219 you know you know CGI realer than life 1827 01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:15,010 and and that was what you know I when I 1828 01:24:18,839 --> 01:24:16,900 first looked at this case that was the 1829 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:18,849 way that it hit me as I saw it was like 1830 01:24:23,129 --> 01:24:21,250 this is a little too good and how did 1831 01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:23,139 they get this film of this thing because 1832 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:25,270 people don't get film 1833 01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:27,010 I mean people the last thing that you 1834 01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:29,560 think of when you're seeing a UFO is oh 1835 01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:31,869 I'm gonna grab my iPhone and I know 1836 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:33,670 because that's happened to me you know 1837 01:24:38,339 --> 01:24:36,250 I've I've had other sightings since the 1838 01:24:40,169 --> 01:24:38,349 initial one and it's the further 1839 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:40,179 furthest thing from your mind you know 1840 01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:42,130 the it's a psychological thing that 1841 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:44,860 happens when you see a UFO I don't think 1842 01:24:48,959 --> 01:24:46,690 that people see them randomly I think 1843 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:48,969 that were chosen to see them and one 1844 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:50,770 person can see a UFO and the other 1845 01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:52,510 people that are standing around them 1846 01:24:59,609 --> 01:24:56,260 will not see it and that person is not 1847 01:25:02,810 --> 01:24:59,619 drunk that person's not on some drug or 1848 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:02,820 going through some some mental you know 1849 01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:07,090 episode it's just that they are being 1850 01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:09,880 shown something by the phenomenon and 1851 01:25:13,919 --> 01:25:12,489 it's meant for whoever is seeing it so 1852 01:25:15,839 --> 01:25:13,929 you can have a sighting like the Phoenix 1853 01:25:18,030 --> 01:25:15,849 lights where hundreds and hundreds of 1854 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:18,040 people thousands of people see something 1855 01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:21,250 and then again you can have a group of 1856 01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:23,500 people where something manifests and 1857 01:25:27,959 --> 01:25:25,270 only one of them will see it you know 1858 01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,969 and I think that it's it's a personal 1859 01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:30,159 phenomenon that it targets certain 1860 01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,510 people for whatever reason and and it 1861 01:25:38,129 --> 01:25:36,159 always has that little element of 1862 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:38,139 absurdity to it so we have to make 1863 01:25:44,669 --> 01:25:42,730 excuses to ourselves and I had a lot of 1864 01:25:46,919 --> 01:25:44,679 trouble talking about my own sightings 1865 01:25:49,589 --> 01:25:46,929 for a long time because I'm always 1866 01:25:52,859 --> 01:25:49,599 trying to bust everybody's stuff you 1867 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:52,869 know when I get a crazy UFO story that 1868 01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,290 comes in my first thing is this I have 1869 01:26:00,930 --> 01:25:58,719 to look at from every angle and make 1870 01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:00,940 sure that I'm not you know sitting on a 1871 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:04,719 hoax when it happens in front of your 1872 01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,449 eyes and you're part of it and and and 1873 01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:09,760 and I've learned something about how I 1874 01:26:15,150 --> 01:26:10,600 approach my 1875 01:26:17,250 --> 01:26:15,160 UFO cases that as absurd as the case may 1876 01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:17,260 be it does not mean that it didn't 1877 01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:19,780 happen it could be completely absurd and 1878 01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:24,450 and still that was an actual sighting 1879 01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:28,560 it's just a very very strange phenomenon 1880 01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:33,760 when when we went swales and we'd seen 1881 01:26:36,990 --> 01:26:34,270 those 1882 01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,000 there's a massive craft that came Suarez 1883 01:26:44,540 --> 01:26:40,480 and was above us not once I don't 1884 01:26:46,860 --> 01:26:44,550 remember ever thinking always the camera 1885 01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:46,870 or anything like that even though it 1886 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:49,710 went on for probably close to an hour 1887 01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:52,570 not a single thought in my head about 1888 01:26:56,490 --> 01:26:54,670 protecting a photograph or film in it 1889 01:26:59,040 --> 01:26:56,500 and then other people find that very 1890 01:27:02,750 --> 01:26:59,050 difficult to believe it just didn't 1891 01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:02,760 occur to me and when we got back we 1892 01:27:08,130 --> 01:27:05,110 walked him through the door of the house 1893 01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:08,140 and the video camera was on the floor in 1894 01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:11,320 the middle of the hallway like it was 1895 01:27:16,530 --> 01:27:14,110 the only thing that we'd forgotten but 1896 01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:16,540 it never occurred to us to go get it 1897 01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:18,520 anyway thinking that we have had it 1898 01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:23,500 there it's so common I mean that's why 1899 01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:26,860 when I see a really good photograph of a 1900 01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:29,800 supposed UFO I always questioned it 1901 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:31,840 because it just it doesn't occur to 1902 01:27:37,700 --> 01:27:34,330 people you know the state of mind that 1903 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:37,710 that people go into or they're put into 1904 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:41,770 by our visitors and it sort of precludes 1905 01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:46,290 that it does not include photographs 1906 01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:53,700 everybody everything makes mistakes so 1907 01:28:00,990 --> 01:27:55,180 we're not dealing with God's here 1908 01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:01,000 they've got like no because in 2012 I 1909 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:03,490 think it was July I in that house that I 1910 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:05,410 told you about very tall house it had 1911 01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:08,110 far flaws I had the entire upstairs so I 1912 01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:11,650 had the Attic I was moving stuff around 1913 01:28:17,310 --> 01:28:15,280 the bedroom cleaning stuff up and I used 1914 01:28:19,710 --> 01:28:17,320 to take a lot of photographs because I 1915 01:28:22,230 --> 01:28:19,720 just have so much to second photograph 1916 01:28:23,689 --> 01:28:22,240 so I was so high so high up and there 1917 01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:23,699 was a bit mental about country 1918 01:28:28,130 --> 01:28:25,710 at the time and I've caught quite a few 1919 01:28:31,220 --> 01:28:28,140 little weird things not quite sure what 1920 01:28:33,919 --> 01:28:31,230 they were in photographs but this 1921 01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,929 particular day I'm not thinking about 1922 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:37,199 anything I'm just cleaning up and then 1923 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:38,850 nothing can take some photographs 1924 01:28:42,110 --> 01:28:40,290 okay this urge at the back of my brain 1925 01:28:44,150 --> 01:28:42,120 it's go take some pictures take some 1926 01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,160 pictures take some pictures and I'm like 1927 01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:46,320 ignoring my brain urging me to do this 1928 01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:47,699 because I'm just on one you know I'm 1929 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:50,250 cleaning up and the end they had to 1930 01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:53,250 actually give in to these urgency that I 1931 01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:55,590 was feeling and I took some photographs 1932 01:29:00,860 --> 01:28:59,010 and I couldn't see anything in the 1933 01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:00,870 pictures until i zoomed right in and 1934 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:02,580 there's a silver sphere with a little 1935 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:05,610 black object and they're out of persue I 1936 01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:06,690 think I talked about several photographs 1937 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:09,330 that had something in it and ones the 1938 01:29:12,169 --> 01:29:11,130 sphere ones a little black thing and it 1939 01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:12,179 looks like the little black things 1940 01:29:17,689 --> 01:29:15,150 either moving around the sphere or is 1941 01:29:20,410 --> 01:29:17,699 merged with it at one point it looks 1942 01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:20,420 like it's a sphere in a black triangle 1943 01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:23,250 then it's a sphere in a black bowl and 1944 01:29:28,729 --> 01:29:26,219 then a sphere with a black line but then 1945 01:29:31,130 --> 01:29:28,739 two dots as well because it was kind of 1946 01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:31,140 must have been moving about the sky I 1947 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:32,820 wouldn't have got anything you've got 1948 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:36,090 have got if it just took a video I 1949 01:29:43,250 --> 01:29:38,010 wouldn't have seen it because it was so 1950 01:29:45,290 --> 01:29:43,260 far away so how on earth did I feel the 1951 01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:45,300 need to take pictures and then took 1952 01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:46,620 pictures of something's there 1953 01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:49,800 I did have an academic say maybe your 1954 01:29:54,919 --> 01:29:52,920 subjective need to see something made it 1955 01:29:58,280 --> 01:29:54,929 appear and I was like well that's 1956 01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:58,290 paranormal in itself I can transfer 1957 01:30:06,169 --> 01:30:00,360 images onto my camera whoa 1958 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:06,179 move over here we go ah so I don't know 1959 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:13,770 you probably can't do that because let 1960 01:30:18,650 --> 01:30:15,330 people get photographs I mean Scott 1961 01:30:20,900 --> 01:30:18,660 Brown has some amazing photographs that 1962 01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:20,910 he's got and but he works really hard at 1963 01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:23,730 it he's got a lot of equipment and he's 1964 01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,250 always you know snapping photographs of 1965 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:29,040 and and and usually it's nothing but 1966 01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,010 once in a while he'll get something that 1967 01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,320 another friend of mine in Australia he's 1968 01:30:39,650 --> 01:30:37,440 always bashing other people's UFO photo 1969 01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:39,660 graphs and then he got a video of 1970 01:30:44,810 --> 01:30:42,630 something and for God's sake I'll send 1971 01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:44,820 it to you I mean I took us still from 1972 01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:47,489 the video and this thing changes its 1973 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:51,570 shape it starts going into this black 1974 01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:54,930 cloud and disappears but when it starts 1975 01:30:58,670 --> 01:30:56,489 entering this black cloud you can 1976 01:31:01,939 --> 01:30:58,680 clearly see it and I took a screenshot 1977 01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:01,949 of the video it's a flying saucer I mean 1978 01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:04,020 it's like a disc with a little cupola on 1979 01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:12,650 top it's like from from a movie cloud oh 1980 01:31:17,660 --> 01:31:16,260 there you go well they highly hide and 1981 01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:17,670 sometimes they'll disappear into clouds 1982 01:31:21,530 --> 01:31:19,320 and and sometimes they'll create their 1983 01:31:23,780 --> 01:31:21,540 own cloud and maybe as a portal and 1984 01:31:26,990 --> 01:31:23,790 maybe they're leaping into another 1985 01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:27,000 universe or hole or something but the 1986 01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:29,910 guy that got this video is a debunker he 1987 01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:32,820 he he sent me the video he said you know 1988 01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,860 just look at this mate tell me what you 1989 01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:36,960 think tell me what you think and you 1990 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:39,630 know and and he won't even let me share 1991 01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:42,090 his name behind it I I sent the 1992 01:31:47,630 --> 01:31:45,000 screenshot to Johar's and the executive 1993 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:47,640 director of MUFON is is a pretty good 1994 01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:49,650 friend of mine and I wanted Jan to see 1995 01:31:53,540 --> 01:31:51,510 it and he was excited he's like it's a 1996 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:53,550 perfect photograph of a flying saucer 1997 01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:56,010 and you know did you get this guy's case 1998 01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:58,770 and and I had to tell him he won't let 1999 01:32:04,450 --> 01:32:01,440 me do it the guy it's a debunker but he 2000 01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:04,460 he saw this it is inexplicable and he 2001 01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:06,840 said well you can share it with a couple 2002 01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:08,760 of friends sure you can share it with 2003 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:10,650 Jan Harrison but no I don't want to put 2004 01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,330 a case out because I don't want anybody 2005 01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:15,360 to do to me what I'm always doing to 2006 01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:24,210 them photographs but I think that where 2007 01:32:28,670 --> 01:32:26,820 maybe those are maybe little gifts or 2008 01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,680 they want us to believe in them but not 2009 01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:30,480 that much but they do want us to believe 2010 01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,530 in them and yeah I don't understand how 2011 01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,199 that I could have had that urge to take 2012 01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:39,480 something take those pictures and then 2013 01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:42,449 maybe something I want yeah it was 2014 01:32:46,580 --> 01:32:44,219 another time and I think it was the same 2015 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:46,590 year and I was at my friend's house and 2016 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:47,850 she lives at the bottom of the street 2017 01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:50,010 whereas I lived at the top of the street 2018 01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:53,190 and you know about quarter of a mile 2019 01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:56,340 away there was some allotments witcha 2020 01:32:59,960 --> 01:32:57,840 Gardens where people grow their 2021 01:33:02,240 --> 01:32:59,970 vegetables than they if you don't have a 2022 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:02,250 garden you can rent a plot of land from 2023 01:33:08,060 --> 01:33:03,810 the local council and grow your veg 2024 01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:08,070 there and and so we always had birds 2025 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:11,310 hovering red kites hovering over the 2026 01:33:13,190 --> 01:33:12,810 allotments because of the mice a lot of 2027 01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:13,200 you 2028 01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:18,900 so I'm stood on Mel's doorstep and out 2029 01:33:23,210 --> 01:33:20,880 the corner of my eye I've seen this bird 2030 01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:23,220 hovering over the allotment so I thought 2031 01:33:29,210 --> 01:33:26,040 and we're talking away and there's 2032 01:33:30,530 --> 01:33:29,220 another guy there Robert and I looked 2033 01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:30,540 again and it was still there wasn't 2034 01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:32,100 exactly the same place that has been 2035 01:33:36,530 --> 01:33:34,710 there a little while longer you know the 2036 01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:36,540 normally move a little bit you know and 2037 01:33:40,820 --> 01:33:38,940 then lots again another minute or so 2038 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:40,830 later and I said some Ella said well can 2039 01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:44,610 you see that I went oh yeah I don't know 2040 01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:47,310 it's been there just hovering there like 2041 01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:50,250 that first about five minutes now but as 2042 01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:52,230 soon as we started talking about a it 2043 01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,420 started to move and it moved forwards 2044 01:34:01,070 --> 01:33:57,120 then down then up then backwards and it 2045 01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,080 moved like probably like a drone and 2046 01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:04,320 then we watched it for ages and the 2047 01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:05,940 choice I said get your cameras because I 2048 01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:07,140 didn't have my phone with me or anything 2049 01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:09,270 so I borrowed a camera and I took 2050 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:10,950 photographs of it and it just looks like 2051 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:14,010 an insect it just looks like a blob but 2052 01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:15,810 we're all talking about a tries to video 2053 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:17,820 way but because of the brightness and 2054 01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,930 everything I couldn't really see what 2055 01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:20,400 was going on on the screen and it was 2056 01:34:26,090 --> 01:34:23,730 just a little digital you know not a 2057 01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:26,100 camcorder but at the facility to take 2058 01:34:30,979 --> 01:34:28,590 shot videos so I was trying to do that 2059 01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:30,989 and oh you can hear all that video is 2060 01:34:35,420 --> 01:34:33,300 good far is us saying where's it gone oh 2061 01:34:37,190 --> 01:34:35,430 it's there where is it well that chimney 2062 01:34:40,130 --> 01:34:37,200 there you know like that kind of 2063 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:40,140 conversation and so we watched it and it 2064 01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:42,810 it was like a black line and then it 2065 01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:44,790 bumped along the front of this huge 2066 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:47,070 cloud it was just in front of the house 2067 01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:50,010 and it stopped and went inside it and 2068 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:53,489 that was all we'd seen when I got back 2069 01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:55,050 to my house and I got the photographs 2070 01:35:01,429 --> 01:34:58,410 off that camera there were three and one 2071 01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:01,439 of them is literally like a disc 2072 01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:03,449 and it looks like it's got three lines 2073 01:35:09,890 --> 01:35:07,260 on top of it with lights like three 2074 01:35:12,679 --> 01:35:09,900 aerial looks like three aerials likes 2075 01:35:13,939 --> 01:35:12,689 but people say they're insects it looks 2076 01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:13,949 like an animal it's like no you don't 2077 01:35:17,899 --> 01:35:16,139 understand what it was doing I wish we 2078 01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,909 could have had a video of it because you 2079 01:35:22,429 --> 01:35:20,159 de seen how strange the behavior was it 2080 01:35:24,469 --> 01:35:22,439 wasn't an insect it was too big and I 2081 01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:24,479 calculate that it must have been about 2082 01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:28,380 the same size no that's a calculate 2083 01:35:34,219 --> 01:35:32,610 isn't it really the cloud was - I mean 2084 01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,229 the hardest thing to calculate her 2085 01:35:39,859 --> 01:35:37,280 lights in the sky and my son saw 2086 01:35:42,379 --> 01:35:39,869 something that was strange and and and 2087 01:35:44,089 --> 01:35:42,389 but you know it he got a photograph and 2088 01:35:46,279 --> 01:35:44,099 it was your proverbial light in the sky 2089 01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:46,289 it could have been Venus it could've 2090 01:35:51,919 --> 01:35:48,780 been Jupiter it could have been a drone 2091 01:35:54,109 --> 01:35:51,929 it it just you know it's like a star and 2092 01:35:56,379 --> 01:35:54,119 and and what can I do with that that's 2093 01:35:58,459 --> 01:35:56,389 not a whole lot you know and and 2094 01:36:02,209 --> 01:35:58,469 unfortunately you know I mean we do err 2095 01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:02,219 on the side of you know we're very 2096 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:04,530 critical about photographs that move on 2097 01:36:09,379 --> 01:36:07,050 we have to be you know because have we 2098 01:36:12,049 --> 01:36:09,389 have you know intentional hoaxers and 2099 01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,059 stuff sometimes it's just gonna you know 2100 01:36:16,939 --> 01:36:14,400 get a kick out of out of fooling us so 2101 01:36:19,609 --> 01:36:16,949 I'm sure that I've had UFOs have gotten 2102 01:36:22,189 --> 01:36:19,619 away from me certain cases that I've you 2103 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:22,199 know called you know identified flying 2104 01:36:29,839 --> 01:36:25,650 objects that because just for lack of 2105 01:36:32,859 --> 01:36:29,849 the criteria and lack of anything other 2106 01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:32,869 than just a light in the sky it just 2107 01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:35,760 unfortunately there's not a lot to go on 2108 01:36:41,239 --> 01:36:38,550 there except personal testimony but 2109 01:36:43,819 --> 01:36:41,249 personal testimony is is really strong 2110 01:36:47,390 --> 01:36:43,829 and I mean that'll hold up in a la you 2111 01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:47,400 know court of law I mean some of my 2112 01:36:52,339 --> 01:36:50,280 better cases I mean of course I mean we 2113 01:36:55,759 --> 01:36:52,349 love it when we have aerospace engineers 2114 01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:55,769 or or pilots or astronauts I mean I have 2115 01:37:00,819 --> 01:36:57,449 an astronaut that had a sighting that 2116 01:37:03,620 --> 01:37:00,829 I've been talking with recently and and 2117 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:03,630 you know but the way that I'll handle 2118 01:37:07,879 --> 01:37:05,610 witness testimony is is it I'll go back 2119 01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:07,889 to the person and I'll cold call them 2120 01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,169 after doing my initial interview and 2121 01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:12,719 I'll talk with them again and if 2122 01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:14,249 somebody's making something up they're 2123 01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:15,030 going to get one of the 2124 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:17,730 details wrong if you cold call them 2125 01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:19,050 they're not going to have a script in 2126 01:37:22,939 --> 01:37:21,090 front of themselves and you can tell if 2127 01:37:25,490 --> 01:37:22,949 somebody's going back in their memory 2128 01:37:28,779 --> 01:37:25,500 and remembering an event or reading off 2129 01:37:32,089 --> 01:37:28,789 a sheet of paper or repeating a 2130 01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:32,099 fabrication that they made up so that 2131 01:37:36,649 --> 01:37:33,840 there's always you know witness 2132 01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:36,659 testimony I think is stronger than even 2133 01:37:40,910 --> 01:37:38,760 a photograph because usually the 2134 01:37:43,609 --> 01:37:40,920 photographs are fuzzy blurry and it's 2135 01:37:47,959 --> 01:37:43,619 you know is that a planet or is that it 2136 01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:47,969 you know starship I don't know yeah yeah 2137 01:37:51,859 --> 01:37:49,800 the photographs that I have are fuzzy as 2138 01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:51,869 well they're never they're not clear I 2139 01:37:57,020 --> 01:37:54,300 only I don't carry around a posh camera 2140 01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:57,030 just over the camera on my phone you 2141 01:38:02,839 --> 01:37:58,679 know so you're never gonna get anything 2142 01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:02,849 great but in Ivan's drain the battery is 2143 01:38:08,060 --> 01:38:05,880 drained if you're up close Sommelier UFO 2144 01:38:09,589 --> 01:38:08,070 I've heard this a million times I went 2145 01:38:11,810 --> 01:38:09,599 to grab my phone I was going to take a 2146 01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,820 video and my phone was dead and I had 2147 01:38:17,060 --> 01:38:14,159 just charged it and it's just like the 2148 01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:17,070 electrical thing that you you 2149 01:38:20,959 --> 01:38:18,719 experienced where after you had your 2150 01:38:24,370 --> 01:38:20,969 your close encounter when you were in 2151 01:38:31,419 --> 01:38:24,380 the store you know it's yeah that was 2152 01:38:38,589 --> 01:38:35,299 yeah yeah batteries do drain a lot don't 2153 01:38:41,660 --> 01:38:38,599 they and also that like you say you get 2154 01:38:46,819 --> 01:38:41,670 so stunned it doesn't even occur see 2155 01:38:48,890 --> 01:38:46,829 estate photographs so are there any 2156 01:38:52,879 --> 01:38:48,900 photographs that you've have that you've 2157 01:38:55,819 --> 01:38:52,889 had sent to you in as in your position 2158 01:39:03,109 --> 01:38:55,829 as the MUFON director that you are 2159 01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:03,119 absolutely convinced real usually I mean 2160 01:39:08,180 --> 01:39:05,190 I haven't gotten so many photographs 2161 01:39:11,299 --> 01:39:08,190 that impressed me usually their lights 2162 01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:11,309 in the sky which you know again are 2163 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:14,010 really there's not a whole lot I can do 2164 01:39:20,450 --> 01:39:18,210 with those but I've gotten you know the 2165 01:39:22,339 --> 01:39:20,460 few photographs that I've seen that I 2166 01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:22,349 the one that I was telling you about 2167 01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:25,650 that my one friend in Australia took 2168 01:39:28,669 --> 01:39:28,170 that is to me unequivocally if the 2169 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:28,679 flying 2170 01:39:33,049 --> 01:39:30,570 ah sir yeah there's no other way to 2171 01:39:35,179 --> 01:39:33,059 interpret it and it's strange because 2172 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:35,189 you actually do see it shape-shift I 2173 01:39:40,939 --> 01:39:37,050 mean it starts off where it looks sort 2174 01:39:43,219 --> 01:39:40,949 of like like a long cylinder and then it 2175 01:39:45,859 --> 01:39:43,229 switches you know it becomes a flying 2176 01:39:49,219 --> 01:39:45,869 saucer and it goes into this black cloud 2177 01:39:52,489 --> 01:39:49,229 and then it pop it's gone and and you 2178 01:39:55,339 --> 01:39:52,499 know the guy got the full video but 2179 01:39:59,810 --> 01:39:55,349 that's really an uncommon thing we had 2180 01:40:03,020 --> 01:39:59,820 one one video that a young girl took in 2181 01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:03,030 Los Angeles and it's really cute when 2182 01:40:07,339 --> 01:40:05,249 she's talking on the video with you you 2183 01:40:09,799 --> 01:40:07,349 know it took a child to get this you 2184 01:40:12,469 --> 01:40:09,809 know if she's talking to her aunt who's 2185 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:12,479 driving the car and she says look look 2186 01:40:18,679 --> 01:40:15,209 look at that spaceship it's about ready 2187 01:40:21,649 --> 01:40:18,689 to go behind that building and she got 2188 01:40:24,259 --> 01:40:21,659 this video of this thing and you know 2189 01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,269 some people went crazy on it you know 2190 01:40:29,839 --> 01:40:26,159 saying well it's an illuminated blimp 2191 01:40:32,089 --> 01:40:29,849 it's this and it's that and but she took 2192 01:40:35,299 --> 01:40:32,099 photographs as well and we had the exif 2193 01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:35,309 data that was on the photographs now 2194 01:40:41,689 --> 01:40:38,249 this was a case that was that was closed 2195 01:40:44,569 --> 01:40:41,699 by my state director Jeff Crouse and it 2196 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:44,579 it it actually made the MUFON Journal 2197 01:40:51,589 --> 01:40:47,130 the next month it was the cover story 2198 01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:51,599 and and you know it it looks like a 2199 01:40:58,429 --> 01:40:54,900 flying saucer to me the thing was bright 2200 01:41:00,350 --> 01:40:58,439 as an are like a welders arc is the way 2201 01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:00,360 that the aunt described it she saw it as 2202 01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,170 well the little girl got it on video and 2203 01:41:09,979 --> 01:41:06,420 she got photographs and I was I was 2204 01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:09,989 pretty impressed with that one but again 2205 01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:12,300 you know unless you can walk up to it 2206 01:41:16,879 --> 01:41:14,249 and take samples and have a Geiger 2207 01:41:18,589 --> 01:41:16,889 counter and get readings and that sort 2208 01:41:21,919 --> 01:41:18,599 of stuff there's always the element of 2209 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:21,929 question out there and I find personal 2210 01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:24,570 testimony to be a greater asset than 2211 01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:28,110 even photographs because usually iPhones 2212 01:41:34,009 --> 01:41:30,650 go out that they are just drained of 2213 01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:34,019 every bit of power that was in them if 2214 01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,449 it's close up and personal if it's in 2215 01:41:41,239 --> 01:41:37,920 the distance like some of the stuff that 2216 01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:41,249 does you know Scott Brown gets using you 2217 01:41:45,049 --> 01:41:42,209 know 2218 01:41:47,899 --> 01:41:45,059 strong telescope and and and infrared 2219 01:41:50,899 --> 01:41:47,909 and things like that and he has some 2220 01:41:52,729 --> 01:41:50,909 pretty impressive photos of UFOs but 2221 01:41:54,469 --> 01:41:52,739 people you know just on the street 2222 01:41:56,569 --> 01:41:54,479 driving in their car or whatever they 2223 01:42:01,520 --> 01:41:56,579 usually don't are unable to get anything 2224 01:42:03,620 --> 01:42:01,530 but just a blob you know and the 2225 01:42:05,989 --> 01:42:03,630 personal testimony plays really strongly 2226 01:42:09,739 --> 01:42:05,999 though I mean I you know just recently I 2227 01:42:12,979 --> 01:42:09,749 had a spate of of aerospace engineers 2228 01:42:16,189 --> 01:42:12,989 that have come forward with sightings of 2229 01:42:18,819 --> 01:42:16,199 you know black triangles one guy saw a 2230 01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:18,829 black triangle and out in Palmdale 2231 01:42:24,649 --> 01:42:22,260 California near the Lockheed plant and 2232 01:42:26,839 --> 01:42:24,659 he said that he saw this thing land and 2233 01:42:31,819 --> 01:42:26,849 he said it landed behind gate number 2234 01:42:36,140 --> 01:42:31,829 eight in the in a locking plant property 2235 01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:36,150 that was there this guy is a veteran 2236 01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:38,369 aerospace engineer he was scared to tell 2237 01:42:44,689 --> 01:42:42,719 his story he he you know I was able to 2238 01:42:46,850 --> 01:42:44,699 interview him twice and then he felt 2239 01:42:48,770 --> 01:42:46,860 like you know I've told you what I saw I 2240 01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,780 don't even feel comfortable talking on 2241 01:42:52,549 --> 01:42:50,639 the phone about this anymore because I'm 2242 01:42:55,129 --> 01:42:52,559 scared because I have a pension I could 2243 01:42:58,699 --> 01:42:55,139 lose I'm afraid that I saw something 2244 01:43:01,310 --> 01:42:58,709 that I wasn't supposed to see especially 2245 01:43:02,929 --> 01:43:01,320 you know if it's a black project of ours 2246 01:43:05,390 --> 01:43:02,939 and I think that we have been trying to 2247 01:43:08,449 --> 01:43:05,400 reverse engineer stuff and we probably 2248 01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:08,459 have been successful yeah I I had 2249 01:43:14,509 --> 01:43:11,340 another aerospace guy who is more of a 2250 01:43:19,149 --> 01:43:14,519 Riveter type but he'd been in doing this 2251 01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:19,159 for many many you know years who who saw 2252 01:43:23,569 --> 01:43:22,530 he and two friends were out in the 2253 01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,579 middle of nowhere 2254 01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:26,159 three three o'clock in the morning of 2255 01:43:32,839 --> 01:43:28,380 course where a lot of these are seeing 2256 01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,849 is 3 8 at 3:00 a.m. for some reason but 2257 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:35,280 he saw this thing from a distance 2258 01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,050 started as a point of light it got 2259 01:43:40,759 --> 01:43:39,360 brighter and brighter they were all 2260 01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:40,769 standing on the bumper of the car 2261 01:43:44,989 --> 01:43:43,320 watching it and he said that it looked 2262 01:43:48,169 --> 01:43:44,999 like a giant pair of wraparound 2263 01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:48,179 sunglasses but it was like half a mile 2264 01:43:53,929 --> 01:43:51,209 across this thing went right over their 2265 01:43:55,819 --> 01:43:53,939 vehicle he said that you could see the 2266 01:43:58,579 --> 01:43:55,829 front of it was transparent 2267 01:44:01,219 --> 01:43:58,589 like it had a glassed-in wall or a 2268 01:44:03,619 --> 01:44:01,229 transparent wall and you could see four 2269 01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:03,629 different decks that were delineating 2270 01:44:08,509 --> 01:44:06,780 and obvious decks with with he said I 2271 01:44:11,779 --> 01:44:08,519 didn't know if they were humans walking 2272 01:44:13,609 --> 01:44:11,789 or or aliens because it was still it was 2273 01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:13,619 way up there was you know hundreds of 2274 01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:15,689 feet up there but the thing blocked out 2275 01:44:22,250 --> 01:44:21,119 the sky it was so huge they felt they 2276 01:44:25,369 --> 01:44:22,260 could they could feel a very 2277 01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:25,379 uncomfortable feeling and hurt um when 2278 01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:28,199 it was directly over their car and then 2279 01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:30,329 it kept on going and traveling off 2280 01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:35,219 towards towards the the South you know a 2281 01:44:40,969 --> 01:44:37,530 lot of a lot of these we see going 2282 01:44:43,639 --> 01:44:40,979 towards the ocean that that's a thing 2283 01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:43,649 yeah you know a lot of the sightings and 2284 01:44:48,379 --> 01:44:45,689 whether we have a base it's off Catalina 2285 01:44:50,299 --> 01:44:48,389 Island like many people say we do or or 2286 01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:50,309 there's something that's out there that 2287 01:44:55,149 --> 01:44:53,129 these go to I I don't know but they do 2288 01:44:58,219 --> 01:44:55,159 seem to be traveling towards the ocean 2289 01:45:00,379 --> 01:44:58,229 towards the Baja Peninsula in particular 2290 01:45:04,879 --> 01:45:00,389 sometimes where and that that's where 2291 01:45:07,279 --> 01:45:04,889 the tic-tac UFO is seen you know the it 2292 01:45:10,069 --> 01:45:07,289 was it was a story in The New York Times 2293 01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:10,079 where a lot of people consider that that 2294 01:45:14,989 --> 01:45:12,780 was us and getting full on disclosure 2295 01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:14,999 you know the government never denied 2296 01:45:19,879 --> 01:45:17,369 that it happened we have the testimony 2297 01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:19,889 from multiple pilots and the radar man 2298 01:45:27,699 --> 01:45:23,489 that the strike force commander who was 2299 01:45:30,049 --> 01:45:27,709 on that the USS Nimitz they they all 2300 01:45:33,409 --> 01:45:30,059 corroborated that this had happened and 2301 01:45:36,489 --> 01:45:33,419 and we know that the government funded 2302 01:45:38,599 --> 01:45:36,499 the Pentagon funded a research 2303 01:45:42,529 --> 01:45:38,609 investigation into this sighting that 2304 01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,539 was I believe it was twenty four million 2305 01:45:49,459 --> 01:45:45,119 dollars it was appropriated for that one 2306 01:45:51,020 --> 01:45:49,469 sighting so yeah it's it's something 2307 01:45:53,929 --> 01:45:51,030 that the government takes very seriously 2308 01:45:56,540 --> 01:45:53,939 and and when you have an aerospace 2309 01:45:58,489 --> 01:45:56,550 veteran who talks about seeing something 2310 01:46:02,060 --> 01:45:58,499 like that and there's corroborating 2311 01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:02,070 witnesses you have to stop and think you 2312 01:46:06,139 --> 01:46:04,050 know it's it's why would they spend 2313 01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:06,149 twenty four million dollars looking at 2314 01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:08,960 something than you it was 2315 01:46:15,130 --> 01:46:13,070 exactly exactly you know and I'm sure 2316 01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:15,140 that part of it as well as the Russians 2317 01:46:21,700 --> 01:46:17,450 is Chinese but no I don't think that 2318 01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:21,710 anybody has nobody has technology that 2319 01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:24,170 can defy gravity not that we know of 2320 01:46:30,190 --> 01:46:28,130 anyway so it's either a black project 2321 01:46:33,550 --> 01:46:30,200 that we're not privy to or else it's our 2322 01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:33,560 our visitors I think they'll go to 2323 01:46:41,950 --> 01:46:36,370 technology I think the Griffin takes 2324 01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:41,960 completely understood I was doing 2325 01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:43,850 underground I mean that's my opinion 2326 01:46:50,729 --> 01:46:46,670 I mean I you know I recently I've 2327 01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:50,739 actually found a guy who knows the other 2328 01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:54,080 Secretary's son and he tells the exact 2329 01:46:59,470 --> 01:46:56,630 same story I have the email that my 2330 01:47:01,959 --> 01:46:59,480 friend got from him and he tells the 2331 01:47:04,900 --> 01:47:01,969 exact same story that my mom told he 2332 01:47:07,150 --> 01:47:04,910 actually gave a location for it was out 2333 01:47:10,270 --> 01:47:07,160 near Las Vegas it was technically where 2334 01:47:12,430 --> 01:47:10,280 area 51 is and he said that you know 2335 01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:12,440 they take an elevator down under the 2336 01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:15,440 desert floor it was a deep deep site and 2337 01:47:19,959 --> 01:47:18,170 that it was like James Bond but real 2338 01:47:22,300 --> 01:47:19,969 that they were working on a so tarik 2339 01:47:24,910 --> 01:47:22,310 stuff and this was back in the 50s yeah 2340 01:47:27,250 --> 01:47:24,920 and he described it as a little city he 2341 01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:27,260 said it was called Star City he actually 2342 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:30,590 put a name to it the guy won't talk to 2343 01:47:34,540 --> 01:47:30,890 me 2344 01:47:36,130 --> 01:47:34,550 now he's RAF pilot he wound up you know 2345 01:47:38,620 --> 01:47:36,140 I can't tell you too much about him 2346 01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:38,630 because I had to respect that he wants 2347 01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,310 to remain anonymous I mean he doesn't 2348 01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:41,840 want to go there because he's got a 2349 01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:48,410 pension so but it's not just about money 2350 01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:50,930 is it it's about what it does see life 2351 01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:53,450 it's when you start talking publicly it 2352 01:47:59,200 --> 01:47:56,030 completely changes your life and even 2353 01:48:03,010 --> 01:47:59,210 people in that position they will you 2354 01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:03,020 know we've got like people like Paul 2355 01:48:07,690 --> 01:48:05,450 Dean and Isaac Cohen all of you know 2356 01:48:10,510 --> 01:48:07,700 that kind of caliber they're all safe 2357 01:48:12,459 --> 01:48:10,520 but at the same time it changes 2358 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:12,469 everything doesn't it changes your life 2359 01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:14,330 when you start talking about I don't 2360 01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,250 blame people for not talking about it 2361 01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:18,080 and I keep hearing people saying about 2362 01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:19,790 the Rendlesham witnesses that they 2363 01:48:22,389 --> 01:48:21,290 should all get together and they should 2364 01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,399 all do 2365 01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:23,840 this and the ship we're doing that and 2366 01:48:27,639 --> 01:48:25,249 the other and telling us all about it 2367 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:27,649 well if they all got together and they 2368 01:48:30,729 --> 01:48:29,090 didn't want to say a single word so 2369 01:48:33,129 --> 01:48:30,739 anybody after that that would be their 2370 01:48:37,299 --> 01:48:33,139 prerogative but you would not old 2371 01:48:39,850 --> 01:48:37,309 anything and this is so life-changing if 2372 01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:39,860 people don't want to talk about it I 2373 01:48:44,049 --> 01:48:42,169 completely get that I don't know what I 2374 01:48:45,850 --> 01:48:44,059 did only find if at my time over and the 2375 01:48:47,139 --> 01:48:45,860 knowledge that I've got now and know 2376 01:48:51,819 --> 01:48:47,149 that I would have done things very very 2377 01:48:54,639 --> 01:48:51,829 differently yes yes well it's taken my 2378 01:48:57,429 --> 01:48:54,649 life over I mean I I for most of my life 2379 01:48:59,859 --> 01:48:57,439 I was you know I'm a musician and I was 2380 01:49:04,330 --> 01:48:59,869 kind of trying to follow that you know 2381 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:04,340 catch that gold ring and and now I'm so 2382 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:07,010 busy with my UFO investigations that 2383 01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:08,570 there's hardly any time to even pick up 2384 01:49:14,139 --> 01:49:11,510 a guitar no I mean it just really took 2385 01:49:16,659 --> 01:49:14,149 over everything but I love it yeah and 2386 01:49:18,819 --> 01:49:16,669 it is my passion it's my passion you 2387 01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:18,829 know I love it now that I can cope with 2388 01:49:23,259 --> 01:49:21,110 it I couldn't cope with it before I was 2389 01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:23,269 a very angry person and I was very you 2390 01:49:30,609 --> 01:49:27,110 know PTSD and I was you know almost 2391 01:49:32,679 --> 01:49:30,619 permanently triggered and I found it 2392 01:49:35,290 --> 01:49:32,689 very difficult to be in the UFO 2393 01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:35,300 community because you could just feel 2394 01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,050 that like 90% of it is just rubbish it's 2395 01:49:43,389 --> 01:49:41,119 not wrong it's nonsense it's a sea of 2396 01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:43,399 nonsense and in that sea of nonsense 2397 01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:46,489 there's little you know you common boys 2398 01:49:53,949 --> 01:49:51,409 don't little boys of of community but it 2399 01:49:56,109 --> 01:49:53,959 is a singham insanity it's been very 2400 01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:56,119 very very difficult and also they fill 2401 01:50:00,129 --> 01:49:57,610 your head full of rubbish as well 2402 01:50:01,839 --> 01:50:00,139 there's a circus out there around it 2403 01:50:03,759 --> 01:50:01,849 unfortunate when you don't know anything 2404 01:50:06,069 --> 01:50:03,769 and all you know is what you see and you 2405 01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:06,079 don't know who anyone is are you know 2406 01:50:10,179 --> 01:50:08,840 you go out there and and that all of the 2407 01:50:12,009 --> 01:50:10,189 people that you really don't need in 2408 01:50:13,869 --> 01:50:12,019 your life are the ones that are flock 2409 01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:13,879 around you first and the ones that you 2410 01:50:17,259 --> 01:50:16,249 really really want to talk to they don't 2411 01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:17,269 want to talk to people who don't know 2412 01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:18,649 anything because they just think that 2413 01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,449 you know what and then that what can 2414 01:50:25,029 --> 01:50:22,639 they do anyway you know what can anyone 2415 01:50:27,369 --> 01:50:25,039 do for anyone what can you tell from the 2416 01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:27,379 outside of a craft what can you do for 2417 01:50:33,009 --> 01:50:29,689 somebody who has been you know at the 2418 01:50:35,089 --> 01:50:33,019 life completely dismantled by you know 2419 01:50:37,489 --> 01:50:35,099 years and years of abductions and 2420 01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:37,499 it everything's a process there's no 2421 01:50:42,469 --> 01:50:39,030 quick fixes and I think that's what 2422 01:50:46,489 --> 01:50:42,479 people expect a lot at the time but it 2423 01:50:48,949 --> 01:50:46,499 it just changes everything and the tip 2424 01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:48,959 and the people that I was with they 2425 01:50:52,009 --> 01:50:50,489 don't want to talk about it publicly I 2426 01:50:54,559 --> 01:50:52,019 don't blame em they see what's something 2427 01:50:57,139 --> 01:50:54,569 to me you know the right one day I know 2428 01:51:00,259 --> 01:50:57,149 that Steve wants to and I've done years 2429 01:51:03,859 --> 01:51:00,269 a little bit more vocal these days um my 2430 01:51:06,469 --> 01:51:03,869 facebook but it's scary it's a scary 2431 01:51:08,989 --> 01:51:06,479 thing and and talking about it as well 2432 01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:08,999 actually makes it more real and a lot of 2433 01:51:12,979 --> 01:51:10,649 people don't want the reality of a is 2434 01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:12,989 like you can see you can hide you can 2435 01:51:18,319 --> 01:51:14,729 hide behind a lot when you haven't made 2436 01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:18,329 up your mind what is it can amp up the 2437 01:51:22,369 --> 01:51:20,280 it can amp up your experiences just 2438 01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,379 talking about it just acknowledging it 2439 01:51:28,039 --> 01:51:25,199 you know I never had an experience until 2440 01:51:30,829 --> 01:51:28,049 I kind of drew close to to the phenomena 2441 01:51:33,559 --> 01:51:30,839 myself I mean it was sort of on a lark I 2442 01:51:36,259 --> 01:51:33,569 you know was watching a hold hain or one 2443 01:51:39,139 --> 01:51:36,269 episode with my wife and you know it was 2444 01:51:41,509 --> 01:51:39,149 a MUFON produced show and it was more or 2445 01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:41,519 less just talking about people's various 2446 01:51:45,289 --> 01:51:43,289 UFO sightings and I turned to my wife 2447 01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:45,299 and I said you know I could do that I 2448 01:51:52,009 --> 01:51:49,679 could do this you know and and I had 2449 01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,019 read the day after Roswell by Philip 2450 01:51:59,569 --> 01:51:55,679 Corso just recently at that point and it 2451 01:52:01,969 --> 01:51:59,579 was kind of an amazing book to me 2452 01:52:03,859 --> 01:52:01,979 because a lot of what philip corso was 2453 01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:03,869 talking about was this stuff my mom was 2454 01:52:08,750 --> 01:52:05,639 talking about you know the underground 2455 01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:08,760 bases and and Wernher von Braun and and 2456 01:52:15,079 --> 01:52:11,489 Oberth and these guys it was just it was 2457 01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:15,089 it was too many similar points in his 2458 01:52:21,469 --> 01:52:18,030 story for it to have been coincidental 2459 01:52:23,779 --> 01:52:21,479 so everything kind of you know sent me 2460 01:52:26,209 --> 01:52:23,789 in this direction and and I did I 2461 01:52:29,449 --> 01:52:26,219 embraced it and I decided I'm gonna I'm 2462 01:52:33,619 --> 01:52:29,459 gonna do this it was a lark at first but 2463 01:52:35,629 --> 01:52:33,629 it wound up kind of taken over and you 2464 01:52:39,289 --> 01:52:35,639 know and there's a ridicule factor too I 2465 01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:39,299 mean a lot of friends you know I I have 2466 01:52:45,079 --> 01:52:42,510 a lot of smart friends yeah yeah you 2467 01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:45,089 know is what one one sighting that I had 2468 01:52:48,919 --> 01:52:47,129 and I'll you know if you have me on 2469 01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:48,929 again and maybe I'll tell you about 2470 01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:52,080 because it was just it's kind of an 2471 01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:55,409 in-depth thing that I saw but you know 2472 01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:57,330 our friend was driving the car and she 2473 01:53:01,760 --> 01:52:59,460 was in the middle of sort of you know 2474 01:53:03,260 --> 01:53:01,770 the conversation was as well how can you 2475 01:53:07,700 --> 01:53:03,270 investigate something that doesn't even 2476 01:53:10,100 --> 01:53:07,710 exist or all yeah my husband on many 2477 01:53:12,740 --> 01:53:10,110 many you know black projects and he you 2478 01:53:15,740 --> 01:53:12,750 know he's astrophysicist and and he says 2479 01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:15,750 it's a bunch of rubbish it doesn't exist 2480 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:17,820 it's a made-up thing it's like 2481 01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,010 leprechauns and you know dragons and and 2482 01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:24,960 and while she's talking and I'm having a 2483 01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,830 sighting at the same time there's a lot 2484 01:53:32,959 --> 01:53:30,719 of irony in this and those are the 2485 01:53:35,660 --> 01:53:32,969 things that people that people go I'll 2486 01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,670 get lost but that's actually how it is 2487 01:53:42,649 --> 01:53:38,400 it's always so ironic everything about 2488 01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:42,659 it is really ironic when in hindsight is 2489 01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:45,840 crazy stuff but our friend our friend 2490 01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:48,449 later on she she admitted that she had a 2491 01:53:53,959 --> 01:53:50,670 sighting when she was a girl she's a 2492 01:53:56,899 --> 01:53:53,969 little girl again and she but she was 2493 01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:56,909 where was it I think in Kansas where she 2494 01:54:02,090 --> 01:53:58,920 was living and and again she was out in 2495 01:54:03,979 --> 01:54:02,100 a cornfield and she saw this giant blimp 2496 01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:03,989 shaped object and it was 1:00 in the 2497 01:54:09,229 --> 01:54:06,060 morning and she's going well maybe it 2498 01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:09,239 was a blimp and it's like well you can 2499 01:54:16,130 --> 01:54:10,800 kind of tell that's a good year on the 2500 01:54:18,140 --> 01:54:16,140 side that's a little you know yeah and a 2501 01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:18,150 rotor and a gondola under it's like well 2502 01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:19,739 no it didn't have a gondola it was just 2503 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:21,570 like a football shape but it was hanging 2504 01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:23,730 there as in the middle of nowhere and it 2505 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:26,250 was just glowing but you know I mean 2506 01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,530 maybe it was a blimp maybe it was a 2507 01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:30,960 blimp she just can't quite embrace the 2508 01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:32,850 fact that she saw something and maybe it 2509 01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:35,520 wasn't a blimp yeah what wimple be doing 2510 01:54:40,250 --> 01:54:36,719 at 1:00 in the morning 2511 01:54:42,050 --> 01:54:40,260 hovering over a cornfield in Kansas for 2512 01:54:44,450 --> 01:54:42,060 God's sake you know I've seen something 2513 01:54:46,370 --> 01:54:44,460 similar myself and I couldn't say forgot 2514 01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:46,380 I've had a lot going on in my life and I 2515 01:54:50,899 --> 01:54:49,170 was just kind of smoking at the window 2516 01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:50,909 looking out the window and I just saw 2517 01:54:58,459 --> 01:54:54,960 these bright white egg go over the top 2518 01:54:59,899 --> 01:54:58,469 if the feels like and I felt so sad when 2519 01:55:00,740 --> 01:54:59,909 he had gone it was really weird it was 2520 01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:00,750 like 2521 01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:16,080 we'll always cry take me with you take 2522 01:55:20,450 --> 01:55:19,170 me away from all this well we've got to 2523 01:55:22,190 --> 01:55:20,460 the end of the show and it's been 2524 01:55:24,260 --> 01:55:22,200 absolutely wonderful and I think we need 2525 01:55:26,270 --> 01:55:24,270 another two hours so I will definitely 2526 01:55:28,130 --> 01:55:26,280 have you back home there's a lot of 2527 01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:28,140 other things that we'll know it's what 2528 01:55:30,710 --> 01:55:29,370 I've written down from what you were 2529 01:55:32,810 --> 01:55:30,720 saying but we haven't got time to cover 2530 01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:32,820 all that and I definitely want to hear 2531 01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:36,840 about year more in depth sighting I did 2532 01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:39,060 see that you brought that on Facebook 2533 01:55:45,260 --> 01:55:40,350 the other day actually I read though it 2534 01:55:47,540 --> 01:55:45,270 was for me thank you for coming on thank 2535 01:55:49,940 --> 01:55:47,550 you so much for having me Sasha was my 2536 01:55:53,050 --> 01:55:49,950 pleasure and my honor to be on your show 2537 01:55:56,300 --> 01:55:53,060 and you are the state director for 2538 01:55:57,950 --> 01:55:56,310 California as I write assistant state 2539 01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:57,960 you know you don't want to take my 2540 01:56:07,550 --> 01:56:01,320 boss's job and I don't want I don't want 2541 01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,560 his job yes to coordinate all of us but 2542 01:56:11,780 --> 01:56:09,360 I am assistant director and chief 2543 01:56:13,580 --> 01:56:11,790 investigators if people look to get out 2544 01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:13,590 of you they can find your face book or 2545 01:56:20,150 --> 01:56:16,470 contact MUFON direct yeah I see 2546 01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,160 something be sure to you will have an 2547 01:56:24,710 --> 01:56:22,320 investigator look into it just go to 2548 01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:24,720 MUFON comm click on the link that says 2549 01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:27,930 report a UFO and it's it's very easy 2550 01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:30,510 it'll take you ten minutes and might 2551 01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:32,130 change your whole life it might change 2552 01:56:36,530 --> 01:56:34,490 the way that we look at the phenomenon 2553 01:56:40,190 --> 01:56:36,540 everyone's got a little piece of the 2554 01:56:42,410 --> 01:56:40,200 puzzle I think yeah yeah thanks very